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    Default Re: Is anyone else sick of Bill Clinton speaking on his wife's behalf?

    You know how to make some good points, Flop, but you're always taking sides, first and foremost. So there is apparently no way to have a discussion with you without taking sides and taking a piss. It gets pretty old. Don't know why Skippy is a liar? Whatever. Just think of me as someone on the other side--someone who cannot be trusted.

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    "You know how to make some good points, Flop, but you're always taking sides, first and foremost. So there is apparently no way to have a discussion with you without taking sides and taking a piss."

    I'm only putting forward my point of view, and I'm not trying to be solipsistic. There have been a number of times in the past where someone has presented an argument, or presented facts, which made me change my point of view. Contini, for example, has made arguments where I've changed my POV. Others as well.

    But, the "Fox News" thing is tired and weak. I'm sure many people on these boards would get tired of me saying "Did you read that in the Nation?", or "turn off NPR once in a while", or "are you posting from Berkeley?", or whatever. I'm all for discussion, but the Fox News thing ain't it. Address the initial point made, instead of trying to categorize. If someone's point is so simple and biased, then it ought to be easy to refute.

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    OK, so the Fox News thing hit a nerve with you. Get over it.

    I should have said "The Media", because they're all essentially the same nowadays.

    However, you still chose not to answer the question. I'll repeat it for you..."Have you ever listened to one of his stump speeches"? I'll bet a million to your dollar that you have not. You have no idea what he says in toto when speaking for her.

    Also, was your CIGAR comment meant in a Ken Starr kind of way?

    Flop, I know who you are, and I know what you are. I don't want to change your mind. You hate Bill and his Wife. They could cure cancer together and you would find fault with them. I'm just pointing out that you are a sound bite guy. A surface guy. You need to dig deeper to actually educate yourself rather than come off like a hater.

    BTW, I'm not voting for her in the primary.

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    OK, so the Fox News thing hit a nerve with you. Get over it.

    I'm over it. Thanks for caring.

    However, you still chose not to answer the question. I'll repeat it for you..."Have you ever listened to one of his stump speeches"? I'll bet a million to your dollar that you have not. You have no idea what he says in toto when speaking for her.

    No, but I've read large portions. 1,000 words of platitudes don't make the 50 words of bile go down any easier.

    Also, was your CIGAR comment meant in a Ken Starr kind of way?

    No, it was meant in a "joke" kind of way, because of his history w/cigars. I figured by now even the most die-hard Clinton fan would be able to roll with the cigar jokes. Maybe not though.

    Flop, I know who you are, and I know what you are. I don't want to change your mind. You hate Bill and his Wife. They could cure cancer together and you would find fault with them. I'm just pointing out that you are a sound bite guy. A surface guy. You need to dig deeper to actually educate yourself rather than come off like a hater.

    Dude, get over yourself. No, I don't like Bill and his wife, but many people who are on record as liking them have spoken out about his negative campaigning. I guess that's irrelevant though.

    Calling me a surface guy who needs to educate myself is a bit comical though. From now on, lemme know specifically what I don't understand, so you can educate me. I haven't seen many wonkish posts from you where you share the knowledge, but I'm here to learn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flop The Nuts View Post
    OK, so the Fox News thing hit a nerve with you. Get over it.

    I'm over it. Thanks for caring. (Actually, I could care less but I was a bit concerned that you were so hurt)

    However, you still chose not to answer the question. I'll repeat it for you..."Have you ever listened to one of his stump speeches"? I'll bet a million to your dollar that you have not. You have no idea what he says in toto when speaking for her.

    No, but I've read large portions. 1,000 words of platitudes don't make the 50 words of bile go down any easier. (Republican Rhetoric-Try harder next time)

    Also, was your CIGAR comment meant in a Ken Starr kind of way?

    No, it was meant in a "joke" kind of way, because of his history w/cigars. I figured by now even the most die-hard Clinton fan would be able to roll with the cigar jokes. Maybe not though. (Gee, let's see-Kenny Boy spends millions to tell the world that Lewinski kept a jism stained skirt and Bill had her get intimate with a cigar. I'm sure glad my tax dollars went to helping Bill Clinton and Cigars to become part of a joke)

    Flop, I know who you are, and I know what you are. I don't want to change your mind. You hate Bill and his Wife. They could cure cancer together and you would find fault with them. I'm just pointing out that you are a sound bite guy. A surface guy. You need to dig deeper to actually educate yourself rather than come off like a hater.

    Dude, get over yourself. No, I don't like Bill and his wife, (Dude, admit it-You hate them) but many people who are on record as liking them have spoken out about his negative campaigning. I guess that's irrelevant though. (So what does that matter. It's almost like you're a child getting off on the "I told you so" deal. So Bill has been out of line. Has that cost 4,000 lives in Iraq? This alleged outrage over what he says is almost laughable. Besides, you should want Hillary to win the nomination. The slime machine has been rearing to go now against her for a solid two years. They may have to re-tool real quickly if Obama get's it)

    Calling me a surface guy who needs to educate myself is a bit comical though. From now on, lemme know specifically what I don't understand, so you can educate me. I haven't seen many wonkish posts from you where you share the knowledge, but I'm here to learn.
    (Like I say, I know your game. I just like hand fighting you.)

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    Too many responses to track at this point, so I'll summarize.

    I'm not "outraged" about Clinton's behavior, I was responding to Big's question. I don't think he should be saying negative things about other D candidates. As a former President, sometimes you need to sit a few arguments out.

    I don't hate Clinton, and I don't (and didn't) agree with the Starr investigation. It was a waste of money.

    One part of me wants HRC to win the election, because I don't think she will win the Prez election. On the other hand, if the D's are going to win, then I'd rather have Obama in office. If Obama wins the primary, he's a shoo-in for the oval office. So, I have mixed feelings.

    I don't know if you've been hanging out here without posting or what, but calling me a knee-jerk Republican is way off. I had high hopes for Bush and the R's when they ran the entire government, but they've muddled things up completely. Small government? No. Respect for individual privacy? No. Anti-torture? No. Etc, etc.... You can call me a knee-jerk conservative, or possibly a libertarian, but in no way will you find me reflexively defending the R's.

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    Default Re: Is anyone else sick of Bill Clinton speaking on his wife's behalf?

    I was just judging you on your past behavior at the other forum.

    If Bush has helped you look into the bigger picture; that's good. I honestly feel he was essentially an incompetent leader. He has failed in so many ways.

    While Clinton has his personal demons, he at least didn't lead the country down towards oblivion, plus he mostly governed from all angles, depending on the wind that day.

    I'm tired of hearing Bill, but I am WAY more tired of seeing the media go into overdrive, all in the name of ratings.

    I actually watched that little pissant chris matthews today (albeit only about 10 minutes-all I could stomach), and that little pissant could not stop talking about Clinton/Obama on the floor of the senate. The little pissant was acting like a 12 year old schoolgirl discussing gossip.

    The American "news" media is at least as pathetic as the politicians. They deserve each other.

    Honestly, I could care less what any of the spouses say; I want to know what the candidates say.

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    Default Re: Is anyone else sick of Bill Clinton speaking on his wife's behalf?

    Password, I agree with most of your post.

    One thing though - I never posted as Flop on the other boards. Was someone imitating The Nuts?

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