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    Default Re: April 15th Tea Parties.. Blowing Smoke or Serious Stand-off?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chance174 View Post
    I think Bush and the 2006 congress started this and Obama/this congress took it too another level.
    I think "this" preceded Bush, and it's a systemic problem that derives in part from the way we fund elections (Ariz. and Me. providing some notable exceptions).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chance174 View Post
    You are 100% correct in the fact that some of this spending is Bush's fault and as Matclone pointed out (i believe in this thread) don't forget about the roll of congress in this.

    I don't know about the rest of the country but a lot of the local radio shows here in Phoenix spoke out against all the spending that Bush did as well so this isn't just about Obama.

    I think Bush and the 2006 congress started this and Obama/this congress took it too another level.
    It is convenient to throw out 2006, because that is the year Democrats took over Congress.Bush starting cutting taxes and increasing spending almost immediately. I don't know when we went into deficit spending, but it was early in his 1st term.

    To answers Schlottke's original question about what has change: My belief is that now a Democrat is in the whitehouse. I find it hypocritcial that these protesters are acting like this is something new and Obama is changing the nature of government.

    There was a small gathering in the town square where I work and there seemed to be a mix of tax / spending protesters along with a good amount of anti-Obama people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ODH View Post
    It is convenient to throw out 2006, because that is the year Democrats took over Congress.Bush starting cutting taxes and increasing spending almost immediately. I don't know when we went into deficit spending, but it was early in his 1st term.

    To answers Schlottke's original question about what has change: My belief is that now a Democrat is in the whitehouse. I find it hypocritcial that these protesters are acting like this is something new and Obama is changing the nature of government.

    There was a small gathering in the town square where I work and there seemed to be a mix of tax / spending protesters along with a good amount of anti-Obama people.
    I threw out 2006 because that is when hit started to grow my leaps and bounds. I have said my times in these forums that I thought the Republicans lost control of congress because of their spending. Of course there was a deficit during his first term we began fighting 2 wars.

    I don't think it is hypocriticial that we (protesters) are upset, this has been growing since Bush. I know a lot of peoples opinions on here is that talk radio is all about fear and bashing the left. That being said it was on talk radio where I first started hearing people speak out against all the spending and the size of government. This by the way started under Bush.

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    There was a small gathering in the town square where I work and there seemed to be a mix of tax / spending protesters along with a good amount of anti-Obama people.
    Was it peaceful? Did they wave any anti-American flags?

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    Was it peaceful? Did they wave any anti-American flags?
    I will be going to the one in Phoenix tonight, I plan on taking pictures. Although if there are a lot of anti-American flags/posters I won't be staying long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matclone View Post
    Was it peaceful? Did they wave any anti-American flags?
    I just drove by and many of the signs were too small to read, but I was certainly peaceful and I did not see any anti-American flags (is there such an item as an anti-American flag? or is it just a generic description?)

    Thee were a few signs that seemed to be mocking Obama's use of teleprompters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ODH View Post
    is there such an item as an anti-American flag? or is it just a generic description?
    My tongue in cheek use of a rhetorical phrase (anti-American) to poke fun at those who get bent out of shape and use rhetorical phrases when Latinos wave heritage flags, but not Italians (Columbus) or Irish (St. Patricks) or anyone else (one of my nephews often displays the Swedish flag on his clothing).

    I was also making a tongue in cheek reference to peaceful demonstrations, because, demonstrators are often portrayed as being up to no good (again depending on who the are--the electoral Conventions being an example. Some would have us believe they were going to create mayhem in Denver and it never happened).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chance174 View Post
    I threw out 2006 because that is when hit started to grow my leaps and bounds. I have said my times in these forums that I thought the Republicans lost control of congress because of their spending. Of course there was a deficit during his first term we began fighting 2 wars.

    I don't think it is hypocriticial that we (protesters) are upset, this has been growing since Bush. I know a lot of peoples opinions on here is that talk radio is all about fear and bashing the left. That being said it was on talk radio where I first started hearing people speak out against all the spending and the size of government. This by the way started under Bush.
    I tried to find a graph that I could paste in, but gould not get it to work. The info I found showed deficit spending still high but being reduced in 2006 and more so in 2007 and then skyrocketing in 2008
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fileeficits_vs._Debt_Increases_-_2008.png

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    Quote Originally Posted by ODH View Post
    I tried to find a graph that I could paste in, but gould not get it to work. The info I found showed deficit spending still high but being reduced in 2006 and more so in 2007 and then skyrocketing in 2008
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:De...ses_-_2008.png
    I may have been mistaken. The graph shows the deficit and increase in national debt. I would be interested in seeing some graphs side by side with that one showing the increase/decrease in revenue brought in and increase/decrease in the amount the government spent. I guess what I mean is breaking the numbers down even more.

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