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    Timed for Presidents Day 2009, C-SPAN today releases the results of its second Historians Survey of Presidential Leadership, in which a cross-section of 65 presidential historians ranked the 42 former occupants of the White House on ten attributes of leadership.

    HOW DID THE PRESIDENTS RANK?




    link - http://www.c-span.org/PresidentialSu...ip-survey.aspx
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    I would switch Reagan and Kennedy and think that it is ridiculous to even attempt to rank Bush. He may well turn out that low, but had they ranked Truman a few months out he would have been ranked middle tier at best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccbig View Post
    ....65 presidential historians ranked the 42 former occupants of the White House on ten attributes of leadership.

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    How do you rank Presidents based on ten attributes of leadership?
    Should they be ranked according to how successful their presidencies were?

    I think Bush II had some good leadership attributes, but was generally a failure as a president.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ODH View Post
    How do you rank Presidents based on ten attributes of leadership?
    Should they be ranked according to how successful their presidencies were?

    I think Bush II had some good leadership attributes, but was generally a failure as a president.
    That is an excellent point. I get the feeling they consider "leadership" and a "successful presidency" pretty much the same thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ODH View Post
    How do you rank Presidents based on ten attributes of leadership?
    Should they be ranked according to how successful their presidencies were?

    I think Bush II had some good leadership attributes, but was generally a failure as a president.
    Those are some damn good questions. They could be one in the same but then again they could be two different lists. I look at Kennedy as a successful leader but not a top 10 president. He stepped up when he needed to (leadership), but other issues brought him down in my opinion (success).

    Those two questions could be a whole thread on their own.

    I also think it is too early to rank Bush, he could be in the bottom 2-3 or end up somewhere in the middle. Just like Kennedy he stepped up at times when he needed to but other issues will most likely bring him down. Who knows though only time will tell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ODH View Post
    How do you rank Presidents based on ten attributes of leadership?
    Should they be ranked according to how successful their presidencies were?

    I think Bush II had some good leadership attributes, but was generally a failure as a president.

    Hmmm.... seems no one went to the site link.

    The survey rated leadership in the following sub categories to get the final rating -

    Public Persuasion

    Crisis Leadership

    Economic Management

    Moral Authority

    International Relations

    Administrative Skills

    Relations with Congress

    Vision/Setting An Agenda

    Pursued Equal Justice For All

    Performance Within Context of Times
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    I think that Lincoln is in the right place. I always have a problem with Washington being second. He might be above the list. His leadership as General and then as the first President of a fledgling Country, we might have failed to exist if he were not serving in either of those capacities.

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    Has the signs of a solid survey for me. The criteria is posted. Historians and presidential observers by name. My only quibble there is that we cannot linked to bios of those surveyed so the layperson doesn't really know how many are actual historians, but I assume they are on the up and up. I agree that it's probably too early to assess GW Bush's presidency in this manner, but on the same criteria, Clinton's presidency didn't belong in the 2000 survey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccbig View Post
    Hmmm.... seems no one went to the site link.

    The survey rated leadership in the following sub categories to get the final rating -

    Public Persuasion

    Crisis Leadership

    Economic Management

    Moral Authority

    International Relations

    Administrative Skills

    Relations with Congress

    Vision/Setting An Agenda

    Pursued Equal Justice For All

    Performance Within Context of Times
    Seems to be a mix of attributes and performance. Again, I didn't like Bush II but he seems to be ranked low even areas that he was pretty good, such as Public Persuasion & Vision/Setting An Agenda

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