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    Quote Originally Posted by Ground&Pound View Post
    I would argue that one could have faith in God, yet not take the Bible as a literal account of history.

    If you are a person of true faith, then why go to a hospital if you a sick? Why not go to a church instead and just pray for healing?

    At some point, faith ends and reason takes over.

    That point in different for each person.

    What bugs me is when people claim they are faithful when it is convenient or when it is to their advantage.
    Why cant I be faithful and still go to a hospital. As a believer it is reasonable to go to a Hospital and believe that God have blessed those people with the wisdom to save lives and cure disease. If you go to the hospital you have faith that they will do their job and you will live but there is a reasonable chance that you wont make it and that would be Gods choice.

    Secondly Faith is hard. It may seem simple to say I have faith but it is the hardest thing to do. As people we want to have an answer we want to know. To step out in faith on anything is possibly the hardest thing to do. Living a life of reason is easy, it is calculated, there is an answer.

    Faith isn't for everyone, especially faith in a God. But dont dismiss faith as convenient or naive. I will admit there are some who are irrational and they are faith drunk. There can be no limit to my faith in Christ, part of that faith lies the belief that when it is my time it is my time, and that is the easiest part of my faith.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ground&Pound View Post
    I would argue that one could have faith in God, yet not take the Bible as a literal account of history.

    If you are a person of true faith, then why go to a hospital if you a sick? Why not go to a church instead and just pray for healing?

    At some point, faith ends and reason takes over.

    That point in different for each person.

    What bugs me is when people claim they are faithful when it is convenient or when it is to their advantage.
    There are people who do not go to hospitals, and instead just pray for health. An example is Christian Scientists.

    "A person of true faith" might or might not go to a hospital. He might not go because he believes that God is in control, and ultimately whatever His will is will be done; if I am to perish, may it glorify the Lord and may I rejoice that I may be with him shortly. On the other hand, he might go to the hospital because he believes that, while God is in control, that doesn't mean that we should just sit around and let our bodies deteriorate into nothing; God still expects us to work and live our lives, or he would not have blessed us with them.

    I agree that it is frustrating when people claim faithfulness when it is convenient, and confess that I am definitely one of those people. We are only human, and while that is no excuse, it remains true. Often when things are going well for me, I tend to lose sight of the fact that things are so good because the Lord has blessed me. Then something relatively bad happens, and I am humbled, and weakly crawl back to Him. I feel pathetic at times like these. Other times, like my life as of late, I am devoid of much feeling at all, and apathy surrounds me. These are the worst times, because while I do not have trouble convincing myself logically that there is a Creator, I struggle with believing that in my heart, and often am too apathetic to care. Scary times.

    Anyways, there are people whose faith not ended, and who did not give in to what you call reason. Often, their unbelievable faith becomes legendary. A couple examples off the top of my head are John the Baptist, Joan of Arc, many canonized saints, and of course Jesus. Many martyrs--though certainly not all--fall into this category.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ground&Pound View Post
    CTC,

    Do you believe that during the Last Supper, that Jesus intended his church to be what it is today?

    Did he intend Christianity to be splintered into so many little factions? Did he expect his followers to reject reason and scientific progress and hold to the stories of the Bible as literal facts?
    You do not even know what "The Lord's Church" is. There are all kinds of churches, that doesn't make them His church. The Lord's Church is not perfect and will not be until the Lord returns for His church.

    Did he intend Christianity to be splintered into so many little factions?

    He intended for His elect to contend for the faith even in the presence of many false teachers and antichrists. So, yes.

    Did he expect his followers to reject reason and scientific progress ...

    Absolutely not. Creationism and the Bible NEVER run against good science. Darwinism is a joke, a massive lie. Nice of you to "load" your question.

    and hold to the stories of the Bible as literal facts?

    Absolutely, Jesus did. Jesus spoke of Adam and Eve as being real people. He spoke of Jonah as a true story. He spoke of Moses and the Exodus as a real event. It is my duty to believe God. It is the reasonable thing to do. It is in agreement with history.

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    Did he expect his followers to reject reason and scientific progress ...

    Absolutely not. Creationism and the Bible NEVER run against good science. Darwinism is a joke, a massive lie. Nice of you to "load" your question.

    and hold to the stories of the Bible as literal facts?

    Absolutely, Jesus did. Jesus spoke of Adam and Eve as being real people. He spoke of Jonah as a true story. He spoke of Moses and the Exodus as a real event. It is my duty to believe God. It is the reasonable thing to do. It is in agreement with history.

    You'd have a better audience telling this stuff in a church somewhere rather than on here.....











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    You'd have a better audience telling this stuff in a church somewhere rather than on here.....

    If Darwinism is true, why doesn't the fossil record support it?

    I fully agree with your comments about the lack of direct illustration of evolutionary transitions in my book. If I knew of any, fossil or living, I would certainly have included them ?. I will lay it on the line-there is not one such fossil for which one could make a watertight argument."

    -Dr Colin Patterson, senior paleontologist of the British Museum of Natural History, author of "Evolution"


    (He has access to the world's largest collection of fossils)

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    ctc,

    Only a fool what believe the Earth is 5,000 years old.

    Your only argument is to claim that a supernatural devil put the fossils and other scientific evidence on Earth to confuse us. Because the evidence is OVERWHELMING!

    If you believe the Earth is 5,000 years old, you are an extremist & a zealot who refuses to accept reason.

    And judging from the tone of your posts, you're also rude and therefore quite unlike Christ.

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    As a believer it is reasonable to go to a Hospital and believe that God have blessed those people with the wisdom to save lives and cure disease.

    What happens if the doctor is an athiest? Otherwise the irony of this is; the same technology that is used in the medicine field is disputed, and mocked, by many religious people until they need it to save their lives. Suddenly that "science" becomes a good thing and they "see the light", until they are 'okay' again. After this they will 'still' support efforts to change the very science that saved their lives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ground&Pound View Post
    ctc,

    Only a fool what believe the Earth is 5,000 years old..
    You may call me what you want. I'll go with 6000 years old, thank-you.

    .[/QUOTE]Your only argument is to claim that a supernatural devil put the fossils and other scientific evidence on Earth to confuse us. Because the evidence is OVERWHELMING!.[/QUOTE]And what evidence is that. Please spell it out specifically.

    .[/QUOTE]If you believe the Earth is 5,000 years old, you are an extremist & a zealot who refuses to accept reason.[/QUOTE]Until you actually provide evidence that tells me the Earth is older than 6000 years, I'll consider myself to be well-balanced, reasonable, and perfectly sane.

    .[/QUOTE]And judging from the tone of your posts, you're also rude and therefore quite unlike Christ.[/QUOTE]
    Aren't you the guy that says that we don't need to deeply study the Bible? I don't think you know how Jesus would react. Maybe He would call some vipers, hypocrites, or swine. Nice of you to read my "tone" in my posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgallan View Post
    As a believer it is reasonable to go to a Hospital and believe that God have blessed those people with the wisdom to save lives and cure disease.

    What happens if the doctor is an athiest? Otherwise the irony of this is; the same technology that is used in the medicine field is disputed, and mocked, by many religious people until they need it to save their lives. Suddenly that "science" becomes a good thing and they "see the light", until they are 'okay' again. After this they will 'still' support efforts to change the very science that saved their lives.

    Maybe I would just go to a jewish or catholic hospital, that way I know the building is blessed.

    Scott I agree with you, I would say that reservations about some science because of a moral objection is reasonable.

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