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    Default Re: My annual Easter religious rant.

    I have an opinion on this issue but it will have to wait until I get back from the shooting range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctc View Post
    Actually, He did give His followers authority which included writing down Holy Writ. The 3 different accounts are only 3 different perspectives that do not contradict, only enhanse each other. You wouldn't want or expect "final authority" to be something passed down by word of mouth would you?

    Translate, retranslatte is a bogus statement. You need to study, re-study so that you don't make foolish statements like this.

    "pour over every word"? Well, yes. We are to study God's Word. Man shall not live by bread alone........

    Christ's message was pretty simple. Do unto other as you would have them do unto you. Period.

    That is not His message. His message was to repent and believe in Him as the Messiah or perish.

    If you have to "study the Bible" on a regular basis, then you're missing the big picture, IMO

    If you don't study the Bible, you don't know what the "Big Picture" is.
    CTC,

    Do you believe that during the Last Supper, that Jesus intended his church to be what it is today?

    Did he intend Christianity to be splintered into so many little factions? Did he expect his followers to reject reason and scientific progress and hold to the stories of the Bible as literal facts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ground&Pound View Post
    CTC,

    Do you believe that during the Last Supper, that Jesus intended his church to be what it is today?

    Did he intend Christianity to be splintered into so many little factions? Did he expect his followers to reject reason and scientific progress and hold to the stories of the Bible as literal facts?

    1. No. Christ intended the church to be a unified body of believers there to support one another. The Church needed to be inclusive and not exclusive. All have an opportunity to receive Christ. To many times anymore Church is a status symbol or a badge of morality. Because you go you are better or if you go to a rich church you are doing more of Gods work. The Factions destroyed I believe what Christ intended for the Church and the focus on religion instead of relationship.


    2. No. The Splinter came out of the greatest and worst events for Christianity, the 99 thesis of Martin Luther. Under the tyrannical rule of the Catholic church faith had become dogmatic and ritualistic. Luther who could read knew that we were not supposed to enter into our relationship with Christ like that. He proposed that the Church preach Mercy and Grace as our salvation. Instead of ritual and works. It was great because it in essence ended the power of the church which it should have never had. It gave rise to publications of more Bibles so people could research on there own. Unfortunately the worst thing that could have happened did. That was faction, dissension amongst the Christian community. Mostly over little things in the Bible but never the less faction and it is a major downfall of my faith.


    3. No to the first part/ yes to the second. If Christ held that the stories of the old testament were true why would not want everyone else to believe the same things about the new testament and the rest of the Bible? It would not make sense for him to come and say he was the prophesied Messiah from the Old Testament if he did not believe in the divinity of the the words in the old testament, or that the prophecies were not handed down by God. Why would he tell us to follow him if he realy wanted us to take the Bible as a fictional work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UGLY View Post
    I have an opinion on this issue but it will have to wait until I get back from the shooting range.
    WTF??? Happy Easter, Jesus is risen, but let me go blow things away for awhile before I elaborate on my faith?
    "All my life I have tried to pluck a thistle and plant a flower wherever the flower would grow in thought and mind." -- Abraham Lincoln

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    Quote Originally Posted by BonnieJ2 View Post
    WTF??? Happy Easter, Jesus is risen, but let me go blow things away for awhile before I elaborate on my faith?
    Bonnie sometimes you just have to shoot stuff. I still havent found the words to say what I want to say, maybe I will go club a baby seal that should help.

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    Ugly,
    Thanks for the civil and we thought out response.

    I agree with most of your points.

    One exceptions is that I believe you can accept some Bible stories as symbolic rather than literal. Using the word "fictional" is being a little too harsh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ground&Pound View Post
    Ugly,
    Thanks for the civil and we thought out response.

    I agree with most of your points.

    One exceptions is that I believe you can accept some Bible stories as symbolic rather than literal. Using the word "fictional" is being a little too harsh.
    I agree that some of the stories are symbolic such as the parables Jesus tells. As Christians the belief that Jesus did miracles to sway believers and as a sign of his Divinity is taken literally. IMO Jesus did believe that the old Testament stories of Moses, David, Noah and Abraham were literal. The Creation to him would have been literal (whatever literal for that is). Further I dont think a literal belief in the Bible means that you can not believe in science nor does science disprove the Bible stories. In the end it all comes down to faith, whether that is a cop out answer or not that is the truth.

    Jesus Tells the Disciples in John "You believe because you've seen me. Blessed are those who haven't seen me but believe.". These were his words after his resurrection from the tomb. Clearly we are to step out in faith.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matclone View Post
    I like that distillation of the Bible. A prominent theologist and author named Karen Armstrong (she was on Bill Moyers recently) is campaigning on this very idea.

    As for people who study the Bible, presumably the other things they find there support the thesis above. It may also have value as a historical account.
    Karen Armstrong is a fraud

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    I would argue that one could have faith in God, yet not take the Bible as a literal account of history.

    If you are a person of true faith, then why go to a hospital if you a sick? Why not go to a church instead and just pray for healing?

    At some point, faith ends and reason takes over.

    That point in different for each person.

    What bugs me is when people claim they are faithful when it is convenient or when it is to their advantage.

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