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    Unions once served an honorable and dutiful purpose benefiting employee, if not human rights. But now here is a clear example of how ignorant the current leadership is. Poopooing a waiver of pay raises in lieu of sending almost 9000 people onto the unemployment lines is downright stupid. There's another 6-7000 jobs about to get pink slipped in NYC. Government workers are taking hits all over the nation. Here in NJ the unions would rather see their brothers and sisteers terminated rather take 12 furlough days. Facing the axe and no meal ticket for some co-workers, I'd gladly take a furlough, even a salary decrease.

    Every other business out there is cancelling '09 pay raises in order to save jobs (well maybe not those finanicals beggers). Unions need to wisen up. The old days are over. The UAW is learning. The airline uions are learning. But these civil union leaders think there's a deep pocket named Taxpayer. Well those taxpayers have had it.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30142424

    State Union Rejects Offer to Avoid Layoffs

    New York's largest union says it won't accept an offer floated this week by the Paterson administration to avoid mass layoffs by accepting smaller raises and a no-layoff guarantee for two years.

    Civil Service Employees Association spokesman Stephen Madarasz says the union can't reopen its contract because it would set a debilitating precedent. Madarasz confirmed the proposal was offered this week but said leaking it is a political ploy to build public support against the union.

    Errol Cockfield, spokesman for Gov. David Paterson, didn't immediately comment.

    Paterson is seeking to reopen contracts to gain concessions. He wants state unions to give up this year's 3 percent raises as a way to avoid as many as 8,900 layoffs. He has for months sought concessions to deal with billions of dollars deficits in a fiscal crisis he blames on the Wall Street's meltdown, the recession and years of overspending by Albany.
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    I always scratch my head when a union does things like this. I made me think of what's going on here at the Honda plant in Marysville.

    They've cut production and will eliminate some production days, but there will be no layoffs.

    http://www.columbusdispatch.com/live...s.html?sid=101

    One particular portion of the linked article stood out to me.

    Domestic producers such as Ford, General Motors and Chrysler all have had extensive layoffs in response to the drop in sales, while Japanese-owned producers such as Honda and Toyota have not taken that step.

    Kim said the idea of layoffs is contrary to the corporate culture at the Japanese companies.

    "In Japan, there is very much a sense of employer-employee loyalty that goes both ways," he said.


    It's that loyalty on behalf of both the employer and the employee that seems to have been lost in many cases here in the US.
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    Quote Originally Posted by therick View Post

    "In Japan, there is very much a sense of employer-employee loyalty that goes both ways," he said.

    It's that loyalty on behalf of both the employer and the employee that seems to have been lost in my cases here in the US.
    In big companies here, it is an antagonistic relationship. Too bad. Both employer and employee benefit when there is mutual respect and cooperation, but greed on both sides often gets in the way.
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    "to avoid mass layoffs by accepting smaller raises and a no-layoff guarantee for two years."

    I wonder if he realizes they don't have the same bargaining power they had when the economy wasn't failing...

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    Yeah, it's the union labor at GM, Ford and Chrysler who made the great business decisions to build gas guzzlers. It's also amazing that the big 3 have such great reliability compared to the Japanes auto makers.

    Damn labor! What a buch of ignorant buffoons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by washed up wrestler View Post
    Yeah, it's the union labor at GM, Ford and Chrysler who made the great business decisions to build gas guzzlers. It's also amazing that the big 3 have such great reliability compared to the Japanes auto makers.

    Damn labor! What a buch of ignorant buffoons.
    Ypou're striking on an entirely different issue. As I said in my first post, the UAW is on the upside of the learning curve. They have agreed to concessions despite the existing contract agreement. The civil employees unions think they hold the key to the public offcials reelection and therefore can dictate the labor relationship to the governor, particularly a democratic governor.

    Second, I didn't criticize the labor....it's the damn elected officials and union attorneys which are more often than not, have not even come from the labor they represent. The head of the NJ civil labor union was an attorney with outside counsel hired by the union that somehow got herself on the union. On the side she was boffing the governor, figuratively, not literally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by washed up wrestler View Post
    Yeah, it's the union labor at GM, Ford and Chrysler who made the great business decisions to build gas guzzlers. It's also amazing that the big 3 have such great reliability compared to the Japanes auto makers.

    Damn labor! What a buch of ignorant buffoons.
    It wasnt Labor that made the Big 3 build the wrong cars, but Labor DID contribute to the perception that American cars are unreliable.

    Lets face it shotty workmanship is almost a given with an American car. As long as workers face no real consequences for poor performance this will always be the perception of American cars.

    But thats NOT the worst of Detroit's problems. Legacy costs are at the top of that list. Granted management went along with the overpriced labor and asinine retirement worker retirement packages/policies but only under threat of strike. Now the workers are paying the price for their union boss's greed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tight-Waist View Post
    ... but Labor DID contribute to the perception that American cars are unreliable.

    Lets face it shotty workmanship is almost a given with an American car...
    This is not true anymore. For years American car makers have been better than the rest of the world, with the notable exception of the Japanese.
    Recent years the gap has closed and is nearly non-existant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ODH View Post
    This is not true anymore. For years American car makers have been better than the rest of the world, with the notable exception of the Japanese.
    Recent years the gap has closed and is nearly non-existant.
    Its funny that you want to exclude the Japanese as they are 60%+ of the market. If you want to stick your head in the sand about the reputation of the American auto that's your business, but its NOT going to cure the problem.

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