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    It's all part of that thing we call democracy.

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    VMont is the first to have it legislated which I consider a huge difference than a bunch of ...judges wearing gowns making decisions for the people. Constitutionally, judges should be barred from from yielding decisions that create law. If they want to disembowel an existing law, so be it, but they should have no authority to go beyond the scope of what's already been inked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RYou View Post
    but they should have no authority to go beyond the scope of what's already been inked.
    They don't have the authority to go beyond what's already been inked.
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    The job of the court is do decide which laws are constitutional and which aren't, and that is exactly what they did, finding the existing law unconstitutional. They didn't overstep their bounds at all. It sounds like you want to scrap the entire system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FloggingSully View Post
    At least 2 republicans in the state senate voted for it. The house passed it 100-49, there are 49 republicans in the Vermont HoR and 93 democrates (plus 8 others) according to the google. I didn't fine anything about who voted each way, but I'd imagine that the opposition was mostly republican.
    Was there ever a referendum on this in VT?

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    RU - can't back you on this one. Marbury v Madison settled this in something like 1803. The courts DO have the authority to determine the validity of law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tight-Waist View Post
    Was there ever a referendum on this in VT?
    No there wasn't. Earlier this decade the Vermont courts decided to that it was not constitutional to ban gays from marrying and mandated that the legislature fix it. With much controversy and protest, the legilsature came up with civil unions. This was very unpopular in Vermont and not really supported by then Governor Howard Dean. In the next election, campaigns were run on the single issue on civil unions and many legislators lost their seats because they voted for civil unions.
    There was a whole "Take Back Vermont" campaign, which had the premise that liberal outisders had moved into the state and turned it into something that it was not.

    After a few years of civil unions, people seemed to have realized that this was not the end of civilization and civil unions were not a threat to them.
    I suspect that not too many people feel that strongly about banning gay marriage in Vermont.
    Maybe CTC could take a vacation there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FloggingSully View Post
    They don't have the authority to go beyond what's already been inked.
    Bull crap, come out to Jersey. There's a laundry list of judicial rulings imposing actions on the state where no law previously existed.
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    The tide has turned my friends, the tide has turned. Mass., Conn., Iowa, and now Vermont have ended discrimination based upon sexual orientation for State recognition of a civil contract. Plus, New Hamp and Maine are not that far behind. NH's House has already passed a same-sex marriage bill and it is waiting in the Senate now. Maine has legislative hearings Beginning April 24th. California will have another referendum and will soon want to out do Iowa for its liberalness. Civl Rights are again on the march

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