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    True but do we need people to work HARD or SMART? We don't need people to work hard to sell too many mortgages or ship jobs to China or sell new car models every two years. That is not useful progress.

    And I don’t see Bush spending massive amounts on finding cures for cancer and AIDS. I see billions being spent in a war.

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    By the way, I can offer you a very communistic and cheap way to cure cancer and AIDS. No need for expensive technologies.

    Here they are: Keep your thing in your pants unless you know your partner very well and/or always use protection. Another one is live a healthy lifestyle and get plenty of exercise. These are your best cures for these deseases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big View Post
    True but do we need people to work HARD or SMART? We don't need people to work hard to sell too many mortgages or ship jobs to China or sell new car models every two years. That is not useful progress.

    And I don?t see Bush spending massive amounts on finding cures for cancer and AIDS. I see billions being spent in a war.
    Don't equate the Bush administration with a model of how capitalism should work. Hard or smart? We need both. Hard work doesn't necessarily imply irresponsible sales or business practices.

    I'm probably being over-simplistic in a global economy where we can't possibly be self-sufficient, but must depend on foreign nations with different ethics and agendas. And as I've said often enough before, politics and economics aren't my strong points, but I felt I had to take issue with your initial statement that "Constant progress is a ridiculous idea. When things are good you just need to maintain them and not try to improve them even more."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big View Post
    By the way, I can offer you a very communistic and cheap way to cure cancer and AIDS. No need for expensive technologies.

    Here they are: Keep your thing in your pants unless you know your partner very well and/or always use protection. Another one is live a healthy lifestyle and get plenty of exercise. These are your best cures for these deseases.
    These aren't cures, they're preventions. In the case of AIDS, you are correct. In the case of cancer, your suggestionss will prevent many cancers, but many people still will be afflicted.
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    We don't even need a global economy as it is today. America used to produce all the things that we currently get from abroad. Again, progress or efficient supply of goods is not always a good thing just like eating a lot of food is not always good either as you can gain a lot of weight and become sick.

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    The resources are limited on this planet. While population increases, natural resources do not. Our energy supplies, clean air, clean water, forests and people?s health cannot sustain the quest to everyone owning a dream house and a brand new Toyota all at once. That is a Utopian dream.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big View Post
    The resources are limited on this planet. While population increases, natural resources do not. Our energy supplies, clean air, clean water, forests and people’s health cannot sustain the quest to everyone owning a dream house and a brand new Toyota all at once. That is a Utopian dream.
    So is the answer to lower our expectations for what we want from life, try to create a less materialistic society (the hippie communes had the right idea?), or try to keep the population down (remember ZPG - zero population growth)? Should we enact one child per family laws like the Chinese? Can they possibly be enforced in our free society? I still don't think that removing incentives for progress will improve things, and unfortunately, human nature is what it is regarding the desire to live better.
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    Easy answer Spider. Encourage participation in arts, sports, music, education, reading and so on rather than advertisements about new cars, better houses, more clothes and so on. Yes, encourage greatness in non-materialistic things.

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    We already do honor greatness in music, sports and literature, and the standouts are also rewarded with big bucks. We encourage education not only for the sake of enrichment, but because it's usually the key to financial success. People will always have to sustain themselves, but I think most people are content with a moderate, yet comfortable lifestyle and a reasonably secure future. Corporate greed does not necessarily reflect the nature of the general population.

    I drive a SAAB (my only car) and live in a house I bought 30 years ago for $66,000. It's the only house I own - no summer beach house or time share. I tell people that I can afford to buy anything I want, not because I'm wealthy, but because I don't want that much. I'm 59 years old and anticipate working at least until I'm 65 so that I can afford to splurge every now and then without jeopardizing my retirement. If my kid goes to law school as she's considering, and I help her with the bills (as I'm planning to do) I might work a few more years than that. I don't think I'm unusual at all.
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