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    Quote Originally Posted by rustyshackleford View Post
    Having a majority vote on minority rights doesn't protect the rights of the minority to not be discriminated against. That is why the courts are there to decide what is just. If you took a majority vote in South Carolina in 1870, they would have voted to reinstate slavery. That wouldn't make it right. This is a legal issue, and there is no reason that two same sex partners shouldn't have the same legal rights as two opposite sex partners.
    My question to you then is where does this stop. What is to stop another "minority" group from claiming a right or discrimination? What if someone three people want to get married? Or someone wants to marry their pet?

    I"m not comparing a homosexual relationship to bestiality. My point really sin't even about homosexuals, it is about the courts, so please keep any bigot comments to yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chance174 View Post
    As most people on here know I am a conservative Republican. That being said I think this is a good thing. A lot of people will argue the the religous aspect of marriage but the bottom line is right now it is not a religous act but a contract with the state/federal government. I don't think the government should dictate who can and can't get married.
    Absolutely right. Civil marriage and religious marriage are two entirely different things. The church has no right to dicate what the government can or can not do, and the government can not tell the church what it must recognize.
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    You know when Iowa (sometimes referred to as the Middle State) goes this way, that we've seen a real change in our cultural attitudes. Legal recognition of gay marriages is only a matter of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snackem View Post
    My question to you then is where does this stop. What is to stop another "minority" group from claiming a right or discrimination? What if someone three people want to get married? Or someone wants to marry their pet?
    Maybe it won't stop. Your question implies that there's something wrong here, and I'm not sure what you think is wrong because you don't say. And it's not a matter of merely claiming a right or discrimination. You have to have a reason why the claimed discrimination is wrong. The courts are obviously recognizing that sexual orientation is an unacceptable form of discrimination.

    In my lifetime, people of different races in certain places (like Virginia) were prohibited from marrying each other. The courts ultimately concluded that this was an unacceptable form of discrimination. I'm pretty certain back in the early 60s, that someone probably made the same sort of argument: where does it stop?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snackem View Post
    My question to you then is where does this stop. What is to stop another "minority" group from claiming a right or discrimination? What if someone three people want to get married? Or someone wants to marry their pet?

    I"m not comparing a homosexual relationship to bestiality. My point really sin't even about homosexuals, it is about the courts, so please keep any bigot comments to yourself.
    Snackem, no need to get defensive before I even respond. Polygamy is illegal. Whether right or not, the courts have upheld it. A marriage is between two consenting adults, in the legal sense. Are there any other examples of animals entering into legal contracts? If not, why would marriage be any different?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rustyshackleford View Post
    Are there any other examples of animals entering into legal contracts?
    Doggonit, that made me laugh.

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    Snackem is right do a degree. Where does the minority start to override or discriminate against the majority. If we protect the rights of the minority we need to preserve the right of the majority. I personally dont think this is something that the courts should decide. This is an issue that the voters should decide and we will change our minds on the issue in a few years. If not I will tell you that these constitutional amendments are coming and then where will the gay and lesbians be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matclone View Post
    Doggonit, that made me laugh.
    Love it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by UGLY View Post
    Snackem is right do a degree. Where does the minority start to override or discriminate against the majority. If we protect the rights of the minority we need to preserve the right of the majority. I personally dont think this is something that the courts should decide. This is an issue that the voters should decide and we will change our minds on the issue in a few years. If not I will tell you that these constitutional amendments are coming and then where will the gay and lesbians be.
    It's not a question of the minority vs. the majority. It's a question of what's right and what's fair. The majority isn't always right. I have to go back to the issue of slavery as an example. While it may have been popular and the law of the land, it wasn't right and and was properly outlawed. Perhaps the issue of gay marriage isn't as clear cut as slavery, but it's still and issue where the popular majority doesn't necessarily have the right answer.
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