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    Default Will Republicans help to rein in military cost overruns?

    I believe in a strong military, however giving vast sums of money to contractors that do not deliver what is promised in volume or in numbers has to stop.

    These overrun costs equal almost one third of a trillion dollars.

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    $296 Billion in Overruns in U.S. Weapons Programs

    By CHRISTOPHER DREW
    Published: March 30, 2009

    Nearly 70 percent of the Pentagon’s 96 largest weapons programs were over budget last year, for a combined total of $296 billion more than the original estimates, a Congressional auditing agency reported Monday.

    The findings, compiled by the Government Accountability Office, seemed likely to add to the pressure on officials to make sizable cuts in the most troubled programs as they work out the details of a proposed $664 billion defense budget for fiscal 2010.

    President Obama has said that the “days of giving defense contractors a blank check are over.” Pentagon officials have said they will finish putting together a list of proposed cuts in April.

    In a letter to Congress, Gene L. Dodaro, the acting comptroller general for the G.A.O., an auditing agency, said that while there had been modest improvements in the last year, the Pentagon’s management of the contracts remained poor, and cost overruns were “still staggering.”

    The accountability office reported that the programs were behind schedule by an average of 22 months, up from 21 months last year and 18 months in 2003.

    The office had previously said that the cost of a similar portfolio of programs had risen by $295 billion through 2007, or $301 billion when adjusted for inflation.

    In the report released on Monday, the G.A.O. said the Pentagon often had to reduce the number of planes and ships it could buy.

    The report said, for instance, that the cost of 10 of the largest weapons systems was running 32 percent higher than projected, and the quantities that could be purchased had been cut.

    Some programs, like the Air Force’s F-22 fighter jet and the Army’s Future Combat System, are among the systems that Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates has said he is scrutinizing.

    According to the G.A.O., the F-22, which was designed in the 1980s, was originally expected to cost $88 billion in 2009 dollars for 648 planes. The program is now expected to cost $73.7 billion for the 184 planes.

    Some military analysts say they believe that Mr. Gates will recommend canceling the plane, or buying fewer planes than the Air Force wants.

    But the G.A.O. also said the Pentagon had done a better job of managing some newer programs.

    In a response to the office, John J. Young Jr., the Pentagon’s top acquisition official, said department officials had “instituted several major changes that are beginning to show results.”

    Mr. Young also noted that in some cases, the cost growth was not a result of overruns but of program expansions. And in others, delays were ordered by top Pentagon officials or Congress as part of budgeting trade-offs.

    Story link - http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/31/bu...ense.html?_r=1
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    Default Re: Will Republicans help to rein in military cost overruns?

    But you support stem cell research that could cost the government tons and potentially produce nothing. Military research needs to be funded too. I agree that there needs to be strict guidelines for receiving money and what they should do is back charge companies that go over time or budget. This would have to be a reasonable amount of time and money.

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    Default Re: Will Republicans help to rein in military cost overruns?

    Quote Originally Posted by UGLY View Post
    But you support stem cell research that could cost the government tons and potentially produce nothing. Military research needs to be funded too. I agree that there needs to be strict guidelines for receiving money and what they should do is back charge companies that go over time or budget. This would have to be a reasonable amount of time and money.
    Sigh,

    You are confusing topics. *attempted thread hijack*

    Nothing in this article is about stem cell research. If you want to discuss that topic start a thread for it.

    This is about existing orders for existing weapons systems already being purchased. As given in the example about the F-22 fighter.

    Don't you see a problem with the fact the government was supposed to get 648 fighters for 88 billion and now are only going to get 184 fighters at a cost of about 74 billion dollars?

    I think it is a major problem when the country gets less then 1/3 of what was promised for roughly what was the projected cost for the whole order.

    This should be a topic right up McCain's alley, this is wasteful government spending.
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    Default Re: Will Republicans help to rein in military cost overruns?

    Defense contractors are some of the biggest thieves in this country next to Wall Street executives.

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    But hey, it's alright for Nancy Pelosi to fun bird research in her district with Porkulous finds.

    The Congress (Both Parties) and the Prez are outright theives...they need to shut up and start scrutizing themselves before pointing thier grubby fingers at others.

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    Default Re: Will Republicans help to rein in military cost overruns?

    As an aside -watch the Howard hughes clip on YOUTUBE where he basically tells the senator to go F himself and walks out amidst cheers .
    I often wonder how much of that cash turns up in some dirty slush fund somewhere .Alt of my friends work at Allison's here in Indy and they do not receive a pay raise when Detroit diesel allison gets a billion dollar contract from the defense dept and none of the shareholders stock goes up?

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    Default Re: Will Republicans help to rein in military cost overruns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Badcat View Post
    But hey, it's alright for Nancy Pelosi to fun bird research in her district with Porkulous finds.

    The Congress (Both Parties) and the Prez are outright theives...they need to shut up and start scrutizing themselves before pointing thier grubby fingers at others.
    Huh? The first comment is not relevant and the second makes no sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by r.payton@att.net View Post
    As an aside -watch the Howard hughes clip on YOUTUBE where he basically tells the senator to go F himself and walks out amidst cheers .
    I often wonder how much of that cash turns up in some dirty slush fund somewhere .Alt of my friends work at Allison's here in Indy and they do not receive a pay raise when Detroit diesel allison gets a billion dollar contract from the defense dept and none of the shareholders stock goes up?
    There are a lot of good stories about following the money trails in defense contracts. It's often a very messy, corrupt business and the politicians on both sides of the aisle are up to their necks in it.
    If we don't fight hard enough for the things we stand for, at some point we have to recognize that we don't really stand for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccbig View Post
    Huh? The first comment is not relevant and the second makes no sense.
    Let me make it more clear.

    The Government Accountability office is telling us all that the Defense contractors are over-budgeted and sloppy with the tax payer's money. In the mean time, all this BS PORK (aka Tax payer's money) is going to fund bird research and other wasted programs.

    To my second point...The Government accountability office needs to point out that Congress and the President are flat out over-spending on other programs, it's just not the defense contractors. It's not only no bid contracts. It's not just the evil empire known as Haliburton...Congress and Obama need to check themselves, change their behavior, they're thinking, and then they can all spout off about the inadequecies of others.

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