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    Default Re: Will Republicans help to rein in military cost overruns?

    Will Republicans help to rein in military cost overruns?

    Fundamentally, Republicans can do nothing in the either direction since they control neither the White House, House nor Senate.
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    Default Re: Will Republicans help to rein in military cost overruns?

    Quote Originally Posted by UGLY View Post
    But you support stem cell research that could cost the government tons and potentially produce nothing. Military research needs to be funded too. I agree that there needs to be strict guidelines for receiving money and what they should do is back charge companies that go over time or budget. This would have to be a reasonable amount of time and money.
    Stem cell research spending is basic research, which is never clear if it will be ultimately productive, while Military spending is not research, but product development and procurement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Badcat View Post
    Let me make it more clear.

    The Government Accountability office is telling us all that the Defense contractors are over-budgeted and sloppy with the tax payer's money. In the mean time, all this BS PORK (aka Tax payer's money) is going to fund bird research and other wasted programs.

    To my second point...The Government accountability office needs to point out that Congress and the President are flat out over-spending on other programs, it's just not the defense contractors. It's not only no bid contracts. It's not just the evil empire known as Haliburton...Congress and Obama need to check themselves, change their behavior, they're thinking, and then they can all spout off about the inadequecies of others.
    The highest estimates I have seen on "Pork Spending" account for 1% of the budget. Do you have numbers that show it higher?

    These cost overruns by themselves total close to 10% of the current budget deficit.

    I would say both issues are important to clean up. However, by far, wasteful defense spending in cost overruns is a much larger source of wasteful spending then "pork spending".
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    Default Re: Will Republicans help to rein in military cost overruns?

    THe government funds military research for defense contractors. THere have countless projects that never panned out costing the government billions. I stated what I would do to fix the problem. The funding of stem cells or any unproven science is just as wasteful spending in some cases. The funding of stem cells is based on a projected outcome. If there were no promise of some type of return made why the government fund the research. Those promises have had to be made by someone to convince the government that the money was going to good use.

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    Default Re: Will Republicans help to rein in military cost overruns?

    Quote Originally Posted by UGLY View Post
    THe government funds military research for defense contractors. THere have countless projects that never panned out costing the government billions. I stated what I would do to fix the problem. The funding of stem cells or any unproven science is just as wasteful spending in some cases. The funding of stem cells is based on a projected outcome. If there were no promise of some type of return made why the government fund the research. Those promises have had to be made by someone to convince the government that the money was going to good use.
    Quit trying to put the military cost overruns in the same basket with military research and stem cell research. They are completely different topics.

    I will be happy to discuss stem cell research on a thread if you start one, however let's keep this thread about military cost overruns.
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    Default Re: Will Republicans help to rein in military cost overruns?

    Making a comparison that you dont like does not make it a thread hijack.

    The truth is although the money might be different the idea is the same.

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    Yeah, sort of like saying that if my wife lost $10 on a scratch-off ticket, she has no business being angry with me for losing $10,000 at the Blackjack table in Vegas.....


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    Fundamentally, Republicans can do nothing in the either direction since they control neither the White House, House nor Senate.
    Oh, but of course, when they did have the power, the Republicans did all they could to reign in wasteful spending by the Pentagon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UGLY View Post
    The truth is although the money might be different the idea is the same.
    Funding research that doesn't pan out is very different than cost overruns. If I own a company that makes widgets I might pay another company $1000 to do market research to see if people would buy my new and improved widget 2.0, if that company concludes that widget 2.0's suck then I'm out $1000 but there hasn't been a cost overrun, I paid someone to do research and they did the requested research for the money we agreed it would cost.

    If I paid a manufacturer $2000 to make me 100 widgets and they end up charging me $4000 then there is a cost overrun, I've paid money for something I didn't recieve which is very different than paying for research that doesn't pan out.

    All that being said, I didn't read the original article and I don't know if whoever was figuring out the overages in military spending included research projects that didn't go over budget but didn't produce what they hoped for as an overage or not.
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