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    Quote Originally Posted by UGLY View Post
    The quote refers to the way most people evolve politically over time. When we are young we are more idealistic and see the world differently. We think more with our emotions than we do logically or rationally.
    I agree we tend to more idealistic when we are younger. I'm not sure that has anything to do with emotionality or rationality.

    I would tend to agree that we tend to get more conservative as we get older, but then we get into that sticky question of what conservative means. I would say I'm more conservative now: but then I have more of a past to look at and find value in, and sometimes to wish upon. I sense our people used to have a stronger moral fiber. Nonetheless, my politics are not more conservative. They may be more pragmatic (per your assessment that we are less ideal), but they are not conservative as in voting for a major Republican candidate.

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    I think the quote still holds true today. Young people still think emotionally and older people think rationally. On whether or not I have a heart. I think we would have to define young first. I am near 30 and have lived a fairly interesting and rough life. I would say that when I was young in my teens and early twenties I was more driven by emotion and now I am driven by logic and ration not to mention reality. So yes I have a heart I just don't let it run my life.
    Good. I was afraid the quote painted us both in a bad light.

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    Clone I see that we agree.

    Where we may not agree is that it is a more conservative principal that if you want something then you should work and earn it. This is also a Principle of my parents, grandparents and those generations before us. It is in my view a more liberal principle that those who work hard and earn what they have should have it taken and given to someone who has not earned it. Like the little girl said "Why doesn't the homeless guy come over and do the work, and you can just pay him the $50? ". Instead of her doing it and then giving her hard earned money to someone who does not deserve it.

    Then again we may agree on this point. We may disagree on the varying forms of need. Of course I agree that there are people who need assistance from others because they are incapable of doing for themselves. I also have a soft spot for single mother or fathers that are getting up everyday to earn what they have but just keep falling behind. Where do we define those who are in need and those who are just lazy bottom feeders on society? I dont know but it seems that the liberal politics in our nation does not want to define these people.

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    You guys should read "Whats the matter with Kansas". It might change your mind

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    Quote Originally Posted by j2mitchell View Post
    You guys should read "Whats the matter with Kansas". It might change your mind
    I haven't read the book but I did read about it. I can see where the author is coming from. Remember that you can be a social issues conservative i.e. gay rights, abortion, prayer in school without being an economic conservative and visa versa. I dont think there is any need to state without equivocation that you are a conservative period. There are many views in which I disagree with in the conservative movement and many liberal issues I can stand up for.

    These discussions always come down to one common fact IMO. We are only divided because we seem to have to ally ourselves with whoever suites us best for that moment.. The Republicans for the time have put their eggs in the conservatism basket and the Democrats in the liberal basket. If the political winds shifted as they have in the past those parties will champion the oppositions causes, because they want to win elections. They have no dedication to the members of the party only to the party elite who pay big money to have their views pushed. On both sides this is true. There are some who I believe are statesmen but they are few and far between.

    Politics is like faith, to me anyway. I love my faith and my relationship with Christ, but I dislike religion. I dislike it because it pigeonholes everything attempting to dictate what I should believe . Politics is the same. I enjoy politics but I dont like party politics. I dont mind an us vs them on issues, because lets face it if I oppose a bill and you support it we are in competition. I do however oppose us vs them because you are democrat and I am republican. Rush Limbaugh says that bipartisanism is for the weak. But if neither side has all the right answers then we must need some type of cooperative government.

    Don'T get me wrong I have my beliefs and I dont think anyone here is confused on where I stand . I just dont want my beliefs dictated by a party. I dont want any of us to have to compromise because we have to toe a party line. Conservatism is an idea like liberalism, they have good and bad points but they are both demonized by the two competing political parties. We as blogger, debaters or Bullshit artists demonize each other to a degree. In the end we all want the same thing, we just have different ways of wanting to get there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ignatius J. Reilly View Post
    I recently asked my friend's little girl what she wanted to be when
    she grows up. She said she wanted to be President some day. Both of
    her parents, liberal Democrats, were standing there, so I asked her,
    'If you were President what would be the first thing you would do? '

    She replied, 'I'd give food and houses to all the homeless people.'

    Her parents beamed.

    'Wow...what a worthy goal. I told her, ' But you don't have to wait
    until you're President to do that. You can come over to my house and
    mow the lawn, pull weeds, and sweep my yard, and I'll pay you $50. Then I'll
    take you over to the grocery store where the homeless guy hangs out, and you
    can give him the $50 to use toward food and a new house. '

    She thought that over for a few seconds, then she looked me straight
    in the eye and asked, ' Why doesn't the homeless guy come over and do the
    work, and you can just pay him the $50? '

    I said, 'Welcome to the Republican Party.'

    Her parents still aren't speaking to me
    I am sure this a made up story... The homeless person at the grocery is homeless and without a job not just because he is lazy and wants a handout.
    Most likely there are greater issues that make him unemployable.
    Often mental illness, health problems, drink and/or drug abuse.

    If you are a hiring manager or have your own company are you going to hire that person?

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