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    PRINCETON, New Jersey (CNN) -- As the budget debate heats up, Republicans are warning of socialism in the White House and claiming that Democrats are rushing back to their dangerous tonic of big government.

    Speaking to the Conservative Political Action Conference, Rush Limbaugh warned that "the future is not Big Government. Self-serving politicians. Powerful bureaucrats. This has been tried, tested throughout history. The result has always been disaster."

    On CNN, former Vice President Dick Cheney said he is worried that the administration is using the current economic conditions to "justify" a "massive expansion" in the government.

    After the past eight years in American politics, it is impossible to reconcile current promises by conservatives for small government with the historical record of President Bush's administration. Most experts on the left and right can find one issue upon which to agree: The federal government expanded significantly after 2001 when George W. Bush was in the White House.

    The growth did not just take place with national security spending but with domestic programs as well. Even as the administration fought to reduce the cost of certain programs by preventing cost-of-living increases in benefits, in many other areas of policy -- such as Medicare prescription drug benefits, federal education standards and agricultural subsidies -- the federal government expanded by leaps and bounds. And then there are the costs of Afghanistan and Iraq.

    Federal spending stood at about $1.9 trillion in 2000, when Democrat Bill Clinton ended his presidency. In his final year in office, Bush proposed to spend $3.1 trillion for fiscal year 2009. President Obama's budget proposal for fiscal 2010 is $3.6 trillion.

    Nor can Republicans blame a Democratic Congress for being responsible for these trends. Much of the expansion took place between 2002 and 2006, when Republicans controlled both Congress and the White House. The Weekly Standard's Fred Barnes was writing about "big government conservatism" back in 2003.

    Two years later, the right-wing CATO Institute published a report noting that total government spending had grown by 33 percent in President Bush's first term, lamenting that "President Bush has presided over the largest overall increase in inflation-adjusted federal spending since Lyndon B. Johnson."

    http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/03/...ent/index.html


    The article goes on to detail just how hypocritical the GOP has been in the last 50 years, when it comes to it's constant accusation of big government by the Dems.

    The fact is that both parties spend what they don't have. Both parties are interested in increasing their own power and influence. The GOP just does a better job of lying to it's supporters about it's policies.

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    Some Republicans may be hypocritical, but they do not run the country. Spending and taxation are controlled by the Congress, with input from the President, which means Republicans, Democrats and a few independents are all involved. One might consider, too, the way we elect people in this country, which I will sum up as: political contributions buy influence--and its role in budgetary matters. It seems to me that blaming one party or one person for the deficit (as this opinion piece from CNN does) is often used to divert our attention from other matters--not to mention draw audience share.

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    I don't see him as blaming one party, simply pointing out the hypocrisy of the current GOP mouthpieces who are suddenly worried about "big government".

    You're right, both parties pander to those who give them money and help get them re-elected. As I said in my comments, both parties are guilty of the increase in size, cost and reach of the federal government. For either party to claim the contrary is simply not true, as the facts of the article show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by therick View Post
    I don't see him as blaming one party, simply pointing out the hypocrisy of the current GOP mouthpieces who are suddenly worried about "big government".

    You're right, both parties pander to those who give them money and help get them re-elected. As I said in my comments, both parties are guilty of the increase in size, cost and reach of the federal government. For either party to claim the contrary is simply not true, as the facts of the article show.
    As much as I hate to admit it, the article is somewhat correct. The GOP in the last few years they ran congress they were just as bad as the Dems in spending and big goverment. In my opinion that is why the lost in 2006 because they went away from their base.

    I believe they are now coming back to their roots because Obama as woke up the Conservative base. I think this is a perfect example of the people getting voted out of office because they went against the will of those who voted them in.

    Of course some of it is just politics but I truly believe that the GOP is starting to get back to what made them successful and connect with the American people. That is smaller government.

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    Of course some of it is just politics but I truly believe that the GOP is starting to get back to what made them successful and connect with the American people. That is smaller government.
    Because that's what the Republicans are saying they are going to do?

    Ok, now I'm convinced.

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    The GOP did run from their base with their spending and expansion under Bush. Clearly this was one of the reasons Obama won the Presidencey. I dont believe that the expansion or the spending under the GOP will even compare to what I believe the Democrats have in store for us.

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    Expansion???

    Both McCain and Obama talked of cutting the budget...McCain with a hatchet and Obama with a scalpel.

    While I'd prefer that hatchet, I'll settle for the scalpel.

    Cut, baby cut!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ground&Pound View Post
    Expansion???

    Both McCain and Obama talked of cutting the budget...McCain with a hatchet and Obama with a scalpel.

    While I'd prefer that hatchet, I'll settle for the scalpel.

    Cut, baby cut!!!!
    Instead you may have gotten a shovel. lol

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    I believe they are now coming back to their roots because Obama as woke up the Conservative base. I think this is a perfect example of the people getting voted out of office because they went against the will of those who voted them in.

    Coming back to their roots? What roots are those? Heck even the Reagan administration ran a deficit. After decades of signing off on, or winking at deficits, the sudden "seeing the light" seems a little to convenient. It's like all thos Govenors saying "well maybe we will turn down the money". However when it came time to belly up to the trough they all seem to be there.
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