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    Why ask me, Dishonesty? You've got true religion. You have all the answers. You frequently cite scripture from your holy book (the gospel according to Laissez-Faire). I, a mere subject, know nothing. Besides, there's nothing I could possibly say to change your mind.

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    If you can't articulate the rationale behond your statement, you are showing us that you don't have any reason to be saying what you are saying.

    You just want to say I'm fabricating things, but you don't have any proof.

    It shows that you really don't know what you're talking about.

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    Like I said, I know nothing. You know everything. You have data. You have facts. Only you understand the accepted economic theory. Who could argue against those who are the true keepers of data and facts. Hail, hail, his grace Dishonesty!

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    To all who will send me money please send it to the boys and girls club in your state or sponsor a local wrestling team.

    Clone maybe it is just me but I was raised to make up my mind on my own and do what I thought was right no matter what was being sold to me. I was raised to take responsibility for the choices I made. If I see an add on T.V. for a new big and juicy hamburger at Wendy's it is up to me whether or not I buy it. The add does not control me reaction to it, it is only meant for me to at least ponder the idea of buying it the action is my responsibility.

    Lets look at it this way. Between Denver and Colorado Springs the speed limit is 75 and it is posted as such. Yet people still travel at 85mph despite the advertisement of a 75mph speed limit. These people are free to do as they want and suffer the consequences of that action. Just as if you see an add and you decide to do as the add says you are responsible for the outcome of your decision.

    I will always maintain that people who are of mature age have the ability to say no or yes to what they want.

    I don't smoke yet I see adds all the time for smoking.
    I don't drive a Mercedes yet adds tell me I should
    I don't buy ronco knives because he says they are the best and I cant live without them.

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    Ugly, I know what you're saying. You have the "freedom" to choose and the ability to exercise it. However, I stand by my argument I made earlier. The freedom of choice is limited. This has very real consequences, for example, in the enormous growth of obesity in children (as well as the general population) and the train-wreck of personal debt in this country. You can say you are above all this, but it affects us all in one way or another.

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    Clone I simply believe that freedom of choice is only limited if you limit it yourself.

    Just to use one of your examples, Obesity in Children and adults is not do to a limited choice in nutrition and exercise. It is do to parents not choosing a healthy lifestyle for their kids and the same for adults. Instead of feeding my kids taco bell I will make them a sandwich and fruit, likewise as an adult I choose to eat fast food knowing full well that it is bad for me and I could become obese if my activity level decreases. For every bad choice there is a good one to a degree. I will grant you that some of our choices in life are limited do to a couple of factors IMO,

    1. Lack of knowledge about what is actually available.
    2. Lack of availability of other product that perform similar functions
    3. Lack of Money. I.E. Whole Foods vs. Local Supermarket.

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    4. Lack of understanding as to how food affects you and your health;
    5. Lack of ability to recognize the effects of advertisements to influence your choices (the effect on children is especially pernicious for they often don't understand the difference b/t reality and an advertisement--but they do understand how to try and get Mom and Dad to grant their desires--like going to McDonalds or buying Mountain Dew or sweet cereals) (as for adults, they frequently make irrational choices based on advertising. Whether it's buying fat reduction pills, male-enhancement pills, or pickup trucks, advertising works. We all like to think we're above it, but I don't think anyone is actually free of its influence).

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    To all who will send me money please send it to the boys and girls club in your state or sponsor a local wrestling team.

    Good idea. I just volunteered to run the intermural wrestling program thru the school district here (I am a masochist); I guess I put my dime into that.
    I am 49, bald, ugly, and don't own a single cool thing. Kids like me though.

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    Clone I think you see my point at is a rational way to think. I also see what you are saying and I can admit to have made foolish purchases because of good advertising, it was when I was younger and did not have a healthy respect for money but they were still foolish.

    I think that is one area we have forgotten about, respect for money. Learning how to use money and on what and how to do it within you financial means plays a big part in how you are persuaded to make purchases.

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