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    Quote Originally Posted by matclone View Post
    Skipster reminds me of that old adage, when you can't dazzle with your brilliance, baffle them with your bullshit.

    Did you hear what he said Big? You ignored facts (the facts he alone holds). You have not used accepted economic theory (the acceptance he alone grants). Not only that, you haven't made any points (Skipster is the assigned scorekeeper). In other words, you haven't found Jesus, Big. Come out of ignorance. If you show faith in capitalism, God (or his lieutenant Skipster) will grant you favor.
    Instead of pointing out where I'm wrong, you decide to attack me. You don't have the knowledge to add to the conversation, so you elect to put down others in an attempt to make yourself relevant.

    Nice try.

    It's also nice to note that when Big questioned a poster's point, you had no comment. When I question a poster's point, you jump all over it. Way to be consistent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big View Post
    Many countries do not have gas guzzling trucks roaming the streets everywhere and the people are still happy. Many Americans feel they would get depressed without them. How did that happen?

    Many countries have much more developed transportation systems and people do not feel ashamed or depressed for using them. Many Americans feel public transportation is a bad thing and using their cars is much better. How did that happen?

    The truth is most of the products can be viewed as good or bad through advertising and propaganda.

    Its the same way as future Taliban leaders were once viewed by Americans as freedom fighters and Saddam Hussein was viewed as an ally.

    An Individual is smart. People in a country are usually very dumb as a whole. That is also why I dislike Democracy.
    These are all individual decisions that you are talking about. You can talk about how many Americans would feel depressed about not having large cars, but you have no evidence to back that up. There is no way to quantify that -- it is a subjective statement that may not be accurate.

    Capitalism lets you live the way you want to and lets other people live the way they want to. Deomcracy and capitalism let people make their own decisions -- they think the individual is smarter than the government. Does communism think people know how to better take care of themselves than the government?

    If you think the individual is smarter than the group, why do you endorse systems in which the government makes decisions for the people? Why do you dislike a system in which people get to make their own decisions?

    Perhaps what you think is best for everyone else is not what they think is best. If someone like George Bush were to be the one person who decided these things for you, would you agree with everythin he does? Likely not. Thus, we give YOU the power to decide things for yourself.

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    That is the thing, people as individuals don't come up with products, corporations do. Communist governments are not concerned with consumerism. Capitalist governments, propped up by corporations are concerned with consumerism.

    I have noticed many times that most people as individuals cannot distance themselves from a group.

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    See my earlier post (the one to which you responded "What's your point"). Corporations are made of individuals. Products are bought by individuals. The BetaMax was bought by a number of individuals, but did not out-sell VHS. The VHS crowd distanced itself from the BetaMax crowd.

    Indivudlas DO come up with products and individuals DO buy the products.

    What do the governments have to do with this thread, anyhow? The government lives on taxes. If consumers (though everyone who has a job is both a consumer and producer) don't fare well, they can't pay taxes and the government suffers. If the businesses don't fare well, they can't pay taxes adn the government suffers. If the consumers don't fare well, they can't buy things and business and government suffer. If businesses don't fare well, people can't get jobs, and people and government suffer.

    The bottom line is that the two groups of producer and consumer are one and the same -- they can not be separated. They are the same people. Government has nothing to do with it!!!!!

    We could hash out the whole economic thing again, but I'm tired of typing out the same explanations over and over, just to have them ignored. Remember that when a sale is made, the seller agrees to give up something and get something. The buyer also agrees to give up something in order to get something. That transaction indicates that the seller thought getting the money was better than the next best thing he could have done with the asset and the buyer thought that getting the asset was better than the next best thing he could have done with the money. That is called opportunity cost. Both parties got what they wanted -- we can't say that either party did not get what he wanted because we can only assume that people actually want to do what they do. It is VERY unreasonable to say that a person bought something he absolutely did not want, meaning that he absolutely DID want the alternative and that the alternative was possible.

    The take home message is that you can't think that producers and consumers are different things -- they are not. They are the same thing -- the same person. Perhaps this clears things up a little.

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    You are a lunatic.

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    Good comeback. Did you think of that all by yourself, or did matclone help you?

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    This has been a very sad and pitiful at TheWrestlingTalk.com

    I for one could use a break for awhile.

    Maybe some new blood will move in and we can resume respectful and rational discussion.

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    You don't have to leave, just stay out of the threads that you know are not a good rational conversation. By now you can pick them out - just resist the temptation to go there.
    "All my life I have tried to pluck a thistle and plant a flower wherever the flower would grow in thought and mind." -- Abraham Lincoln

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