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    Maybe we just have a different meaning of the word compassion.
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    Don't play that compassion game here -- that's just a ploy. How do you propose to push your form of compassion on everyone else? Do you think the government should use tax money to enact your form of compassion? That would be taking assets from people and arbitrarily reallocating them to other people.

    When you advocate taking assets from people and reallocating them to other people, you are not being compassionate. You wouldn't appreciate someone (including the government) taking something from you, so how can you advocate doing the same to other people.

    If you advocate such a reallocation of resources, you are not being compassionate. Don't even try to use that compassion card. We can see through that.

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    Don't play that compassion game here -- that's just a ploy.

    No, actually..... I use that "lack of compassion in our society" thing to explain why we have so many people in our prisons..... to why I am pro-choice.... to how I live my life. It is hardly a ploy.... it is my world view.

    But given you probably don't have a compassionate bone in your body, I wouldn't expect you to understand.
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    How do you rectify your "compassion" for some, but not for others? Why do you advocate being "compassionate" to one segment of people, but not another?

    That would be discrimination. Do you not believe everyone has the same worth? Do you not believe that the law ought to apply equally to everyone?

    It seems that your world view is that only those of which you approve and meet your discriminatory value mark should receive "compassion," while all others should forfeit their expectation for "compassion."

    The hijackers on 9/11 thought they were doing the right thing. Do you agree? That death and destruction was their world view. Should we be subject to your world view or theirs?

    I would rather everyone get to have his own world view and we subject everyone to the same rules under the law. You would rather that everyone follwo your world view, if they like it or not.

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    Like I said Skipster..... you don't have a compassionate bone in your body. Politics trumps compassion. Which is partially why the Republicans are almost out of power, and it's looking like it may get worse for them.

    FWIW, I voted for Bush the first time around because I bought into that compassionate conservatism. Maybe hadn't 9/11 happened he would have followed through. But I doubt you'll find many who see any compassion in the GOP now. Compassionate Conservatism appears to have been a contradiction in terms.

    As far as you go.... you are just a reflection of a pretty harsh society. If you don't make it.... to bad. If there are kids who are hurt because the adults didn't make it..... bad luck for them. If 40 million people are without health insurance.... it sucks to be them. If we have 2 million in our prisons (and I full well realize most of them deserved it) .... lets punish the crap out of them keep them there forever. Yet many of these same folks (I do not know your views on this issue) also claim to be pro-life. Hardly. They are only pro-life until the kid is born.... after that they are on their own. So if a mother decides to abort that kid, I can't say I'd blame her. Look at what the kid is being born into.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sgallan View Post
    Like I said Skipster..... you don't have a compassionate bone in your body. Politics trumps compassion. Which is partially why the Republicans are almost out of power, and it's looking like it may get worse for them.

    FWIW, I voted for Bush the first time around because I bought into that compassionate conservatism. Maybe hadn't 9/11 happened he would have followed through. But I doubt you'll find many who see any compassion in the GOP now. Compassionate Conservatism appears to have been a contradiction in terms.

    As far as you go.... you are just a reflection of a pretty harsh society. If you don't make it.... to bad. If there are kids who are hurt because the adults didn't make it..... bad luck for them. If 40 million people are without health insurance.... it sucks to be them. If we have 2 million in our prisons (and I full well realize most of them deserved it) .... lets punish the crap out of them keep them there forever. Yet many of these same folks (I do not know your views on this issue) also claim to be pro-life. Hardly. They are only pro-life until the kid is born.... after that they are on their own. So if a mother decides to abort that kid, I can't say I'd blame her. Look at what the kid is being born into.
    I like how you can assess my "compassion" status without defining compassion. We have already established that compassion is subjective. How can you make that comparison without some objective measure? It may be your opinion, but everybody's got an opinion -- that deosn't make it accurate.

    Anyhow, I know all about the kids without health insurance (I was one) and about the kids whose parents didn't make it (my wife was one). I can tell you that people who have a positive outlook, a determined drive to succeed, and an attitude in which they shut out their detractors and believe that they are the only determinants of their outcome are the ones who will succedd.

    Those who believe that their outcome will be determined or even influenced by factors outside themselves will not acheive their desired outcomes.

    Pro-life status has nothing to do with this. Those people don't advocate terminating the life of a human fetus. The bottom line is: do you think that a human life is worth giving it a chance to succeed -- to try to live and thrive? If so, you agree with the pro-life stance. If you think that since outside conditions are difficult, the huma nlife would face adversity and would be etter off not living, you are taking away that life's chance to improe itself. I can not think of a less compassionate thing than that.

    Besides, if you are going to use the copmassion issue, you must also tell me how you can call taking assets aay from one person and giving it to another against the first party's will is compassionate. I am advocating being compassonate to all. You only want to discriminate.

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    The bottom line is: do you think that a human life is worth giving it a chance to succeed -- to try to live and thrive?

    As unwanted child, in a brutal society.... probably to be abused.... to later end up in prison. No, unlike you I am not a big fan of child abuse.

    If so, you agree with the pro-life stance. If you think that since outside conditions are difficult, the huma nlife would face adversity and would be etter off not living, you are taking away that life's chance to improe itself. I can not think of a less compassionate thing than that.

    I know you couldn't. Because once they are born you don't really care what happens to them.
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    I am advocating being compassonate to all.

    We obviously define compassion differently. Your idea of compassion is sort of a darwinian thing...... if somebody can't get it right, and suffers and dies, then too bad for them. But at least they had the freedom to try. Or if they are abused kids.... the freedom to be born and be abused with a chance. And if they couldn't do it with the odds against them, and no role models, or die because they weren't diagnosed early enough, it is just bad luck or they couldn't suck it up.

    In a way your society would be less complicated. If I want something I could just take it. Sure there are consequences, but otherwise why not.... I am fitter and stronger and smarter than most. And if I want it, who are you to say I shouldn't have it. Even if it is yours. You may have a gun that suggests I won't take it.... but that means I just have to be quick on the draw, or more clever. And if you turn out to be to tough of opposition.... I surely could find somebody weaker to prey on. I could live all of my life in this way. I think I would do quite well actually. It is similar to the approach that was taken around the turn of the 20th century.
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    By God, Scott, I think you have it. Survival of the fittest. Every man for himself, and all that good stuff. Just like the good old days in the West.


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