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    I want to hear Al Sharpeton apoligise for his stance in the Duke rape case, because he was wrong and he made it about race and he was wrong. But we all know he will never have to apologise for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UGLY View Post
    I want to hear Al Sharpeton apoligise for his stance in the Duke rape case, because he was wrong and he made it about race and he was wrong. But we all know he will never have to apologise for it.
    I started to write a rebuttal based on the fact that even though he does overuse the race card, in this case Sharpton couldn't have known that she was dishonest about the events. Then, as I thought about it, I realized that it's wrong to just assume that the woman in a case such as this is telling the truth and the lacrosse players are not. If the case had been swept under the rug, that would be different, but you're right, Ugly, he does owe them an apology.

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    Then, as I thought about it, I realized that it's wrong to just assume that the woman in a case such as this is telling the truth and the lacrosse players are not.

    Why? Women have long had to face the notion that they're lying whenever they cry rape.

    Ugly, is Al Sharpton what's wrong with America? I think you've treed a snipe. Btw, the story is all about race, or you wouldn't be talking about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matclone View Post
    Then, as I thought about it, I realized that it's wrong to just assume that the woman in a case such as this is telling the truth and the lacrosse players are not.

    Why? Women have long had to face the notion that they're lying whenever they cry rape.
    No, what I'm saying is that it's wrong to make any assumptions about who is telling the truth and who isn't. The stereoptype would be a bunch of privileged college boys getting drunk and taking advantage of a poor stripper, and that's what Sharpton played on. Not that I know much about rape cases (thankfully), but you can't prejudge any case until all the facts are in.

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    No, what I'm saying is that it's wrong to make any assumptions about who is telling the truth and who isn't.

    Yes, but you have to start somewhere. You're a doctor. A hypochondriac comes to your office and proclaims she is hurting all over. Right away, you will lend her the presumption of truth and the resources of your medical team until an examination or other evidence reveals that there's probably no basis for her claim.

    That's the position Al Sharpton was in, as a black leader, for the reason you've stated:

    "The stereoptype would be a bunch of privileged college boys getting drunk and taking advantage of a poor stripper, and that's what Sharpton played on."

    Except I would say there's some historical basis for the scenario, and not just a stereotype based on fancy.

    Now, if it turns out her allegations were false, does he owe an apology to the boys? Depends on what he said and did. If he merely offered the girl support of her claim, I'd say no. If he on the other hand, proclaimed the boys as rapists (acting as judge and jury as so many have with this case) then perhaps he does.

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    As I said above, if the case had been swept under the rug or the woman's claim had not been taken seriously by the authorities, his intervention would not have been inappropriate. What he did, from my perspective, was create a media event so that thanks only to his involvement, a poor, black woman would not once again be victimized by the biased system.

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    And will we ever know what the real truth is? DNA tests say that these guys did not leave any genetic material behind. That's it. Maybe there was a rape and the wrong guys were identified. Maybe the women lied. Maybe the tests were bungled or tampered with. Alcohol was involved, so is anyone's version of the events to be trusted? Will we ever know the 100% truth? Probably not. Move on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BonnieJ2 View Post
    And will we ever know what the real truth is? DNA tests say that these guys did not leave any genetic material behind. That's it. Maybe there was a rape and the wrong guys were identified. Maybe the women lied. Maybe the tests were bungled or tampered with. Alcohol was involved, so is anyone's version of the events to be trusted? Will we ever know the 100% truth? Probably not. Move on.
    have you forgotten that she reversed her tale a said she wasn't raped ?

    That reversal was the sole for Nifong dropping the rape charges.

    I think we know the truth. She didn't change her story out of fear.

    What is truly sorry about this case is Nifong, lying to the grand jury and evidence and then hiding the real evidence that blew out his case.

    You know those actions by Nifong may allow a bunch of convictions to be overturned and remanded for retrial.
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    THe point is that Imus looses his job most likely for being offensive. When the good reverend assumes the guilt of the Duke Lacrosse players and makes it a race issue and stands behind a supposed victim even in the face of evidence to the contrary, we all look the other way. But call someone a nappy headed hoe and get canned because of the public outrage. Just pointing out a simlple double standard. THese kids are going to be marked for the rest of their lives because of this incident and if it had not been for Sharpeton and Jesse Jackson inflaming the issue they may have recieved a little more inocent until proven guilty instead of the other wat around.

    I am all for womens right and I think that they should be taken at their word when they say they were raped. But when mounds of evidence comes out that disprove her claim the case should not proceed.

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