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    I would never drive if I thought I was impaired, but because I could be stopped at any time, I am even stricter with myself about how much I will allow myself to have before driving.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spider View Post
    I would never drive if I thought I was impaired, but because I could be stopped at any time, I am even stricter with myself about how much I will allow myself to have before driving.
    Ah ha! There is the crux of the debate. If you are not drunk and not driving bad, then you should be free to drive. You have limited your own freedom out of fear of the government. Let's say you had 2 beers and are clearly not drunk, but got stopped at a checkpoint and the cop smelled alcohol. Whether you pass the breathalizer or not, your night has been ruined. That should not happen in America. Americans should not be okay with that happening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quinn14 View Post
    Reasonable means that you fit the profile of a person they are already looking for.
    Where in the constitution is this definition of reasonable found?
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    Quote Originally Posted by r.payton@att.net View Post
    GUYS-google in Florida Judge rules against Mandatory testing and you will NOT believe the many strange reactionss-VERY diverse !! to say the least .
    Ha ha! The main thing I saw was people saying it was all for money. Some company that some Fla. politician had ties with was going to bank millions. Someone said the stock rose quite a bit with the news of the testing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FloggingSully View Post
    Where in the constitution is this definition of reasonable found?
    You got me. It isn't in there. But our founders didn't think children would be enforcing the rights either. I notice you keep ignoring the mexican question.

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    Spider,
    Have you ever been to a hearing where a Nurse ,Dr.,Teacher or Dentist had to tear up their licenses ? A STEEP cost for blowing .008.
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    Quote Originally Posted by quinn14 View Post
    Ah ha! There is the crux of the debate. If you are not drunk and not driving bad, then you should be free to drive. You have limited your own freedom out of fear of the government. Let's say you had 2 beers and are clearly not drunk, but got stopped at a checkpoint and the cop smelled alcohol. Whether you pass the breathalizer or not, your night has been ruined. That should not happen in America. Americans should not be okay with that happening.
    Again the freedom vs. safety issue. Not everyone is as responsible as me and I do believe that that fear prevents many who would not be safe drivers from endangering others.

    [At this point, I'll remove my Devil's Advocate hat for a moment and admit that I don't like the idea of possibly being stopped when I've had limited alcohol and am driving safely, but not on constitutional grounds - just because I believe that if I'm driving safely I should be able to continue on. I'm probably a better driver with three beers in me than most sober teenagers or anyone texting (also illegal, I know).]
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    Quote Originally Posted by r.payton@att.net View Post
    Spider,
    Have you ever been to a hearing where a Nurse ,Dr.,Teacher or Dentist had to tear up their licenses ? A STEEP cost for blowing .008.
    No, I haven't, and I think that's a very steep penalty if they were in fact driving properly and were only slightly over that number (see above post).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spider View Post
    Again the freedom vs. safety issue. Not everyone is as responsible as me and I do believe that that fear prevents many who would not be safe drivers from endangering others.
    I agree. It is the freedom vs. safety issue. That is probably where we fall on different sides of the aisle. But please re-read the bolded part of what you wrote. That sounds like every single politician I have ever heard. I know you don't mean it bad, but guess what? There is someone else who doesn't think you are as responsible as them. Therefore YOUR rights should be limited because someone else (who probably doesn't even know you) thinks that you are a dumbass. Surely, you don't think your a dumbass, but someone else in the government has deemed you as so.

    Didn't mean to call you out or cause a stir. This is a fun debate, IMO. But seriously, think about what you wrote. There is always someone else thinking you are the irresponsible one. The question becomes, where do you stop it?

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