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    Quote Originally Posted by r.payton@att.net View Post
    Our foreign diplomacy has worked this way as long as I can remember. The basic problem of any Democracy is a limited term presidency thus NO WAY to implement long term goals . How can the King or Shah or tribal leader trust someone(American) who at best is around for under a decade ? or less ? The book by Tenet is really interesting as he details the way peace agreements are ''negotiated'' -saying things like ''the Israelis and the Pakistanis yelled and screamed at one another ''. That is what they do . There was nothing Anglo-Saxon about it .''
    the inside view is very different than what you read in the papers .
    Russ you know that US foreign policy is run by corporate interests already so it shouldn't surprise you the hypocrisies of backing the Shah & Hussein & Mubarack & Noreiga (and supporting their reign of terror) but condemning Qadaffi or overthrowing Allende or assassinating Roldos & Torrijos. If you don't play ball, they will turn on you & kill you somehow someway.

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    Remember the SHAH of IRANS name for himself ? ''The Aryan of all Aryans ''-how welcoming do you think the Israelis found that ? Yet we backe dthe Shah 100% as long as he kept the oil flowing -would have backed him further had the Ayatollah not come along during Reagan's election campaign . absolutely nothing in the Mid-East happens w.o tremendous amounts of money flowing . check the latest report on the billions missing from Iran .
    According to Tenet the US is no longer involved with Peace negotiations .I had a professor in college who said the same thing in 1977-THERE is NO chance for PEACE in the Middle east. Tenet agrees . i am just starting the chapter on Arafat . Does anyone believe he was not tortured to death ?
    You know, I think I would rather be a man than a god . We don't need anyone to believe in us. We just keep going anyhow. It's what we do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ODH View Post

    I don't honestly know the answer to that. I thought I had heard about a helicopter crash, but not totally sure.



    Boots were definitely on the ground. I can find the proof for you tomorrow, right now I am too tired to look anything up. (just got done with a 4hr f-ing homework assignment).



    Here's the problem. Obama said that this was a UN, not US mission. The mission was not to kill Ghadaffi. It was because he was a nasty dictator who was inhumane to his own people. Then, after Ghadaffi was killed, Obama took credit for it. So did he lie before or after the mission? Please, I beg of you, look up sharia law. Don't come back with the peaceful muslim crap either. They stone women who talk to men on the street that they are not related to. Women have absolutely NO rights at all. Men are not free either. Anyone who claims to be a christian or just claims NOT to be a muslim is also subject to death. I can't even fathom how people think it is peaceful. Ghadaffi may have been bad, but does this sound like the Libyan people are better off? I beg of you not to come back with something silly like, "That doesn't happen. It's only the extremists" b/c anyone who agrees with sharia law IS an extremist.



    Compare away, if you wish. This isn't an Obama vs. Bush thing. They both did the same thing. But if you want to compare Iraq and Libya, go ahead. Libyans are now being ruled by sharia law and once we are out of Iraq, so will they.




    WOW!!! And I thought liberals loved civil rights. I guess stoning women for showing skin below the knee is cool with you. Hey, you can have your own opinion. I think women should have the same rights as men. But you sound much more sane (sarcasm intended) by just saying, "So what if they have sharia." In fact, if sharia doesn't matter, why did what Ghadaffi did matter? I thought this whole mission was humanitarian. Doesn't sound very humanitarian to me. Sounds like the UN just wanted to put in who they wanted and didn't really care about the Libyans. But, like you said, Who cares about them worthless women or christians or atheists or agnostics or anyone who dares to think for themselves. It doesn't affect the US!
    I don't see why Obama can't take a little credit for what happen, whether it was the US or the UN. He seems to have made the right decisions. Support for the rebels without huge commitment of US troops and let the NATO allies do most of the heavy lifting. Again compare to Iraq.

    As far as Sharia. I don't know that much about it besides what we have heard about the way the Taliban imposed it in Afghanistan, which was obviously horrible. Not that it matters a whole, but even the Taliban didn't want to execute all non-muslims, the death sentences were for muslims that converted away from Islam (still a brutal policy).

    So I was being a bit flip when I said who cares about Sharia, but there are injustices all over the world and it should not be part of the US foriegn policy to try to right every wrong. The Libyans are gong to have to determine how to run their own country.

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    I agree with what you said ODH. Again, I didn't explain my thoughts very well. Let me try again.

    If Obama and the UN decides to oust a cruel dictator on the basis of a humanitarian thing, okay. But they should have a plan in place to protect the people they claimed to have saved from that dictator. If all they do is wipe out one evil regimn only to let another evil regimn in, then what is the point? They did it with Eygpt too. We are meddling where we don't belong.

    I understand why some muslims hate us. We've done this for a long time. It is not a good policy. Taking down a murdering dictatorship is okay with me if we then make sure that the people who are starving for freedom actually get it. But just wiping out a government and leaving it to be taken over by a terrorist group is ridiculous in my mind.

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    Here's the think. When we hear "Islamic Government", we hear "evil regime." However, Egypt and probably Libya are majority muslim. A lot of people in those countries are quite devout, and they probably want a government with Islamic influence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arm-spin View Post
    Here's the think. When we hear "Islamic Government", we hear "evil regime." However, Egypt and probably Libya are majority muslim. A lot of people in those countries are quite devout, and they probably want a government with Islamic influence.
    I agree completely with them wanting Islamic influence. But I would like to see a non-sharia government because sharia is evil. The muslim brotherhood is evil. Look at Hamas in Palestine. They are a terrorist group. Where are all of the peaceful muslims? They are the ones getting screwed in all of this b/c the UN/US doesn't help them gain control and provide protection for them. They make promises and never deliver. That just creates more hatred for the US.

    I love the fact that we are pulling out of Iraq, but a complete withdrawl will just leave the peaceful muslims to get overtaken by the radicals. I think the US should withdraw from the UN and stop meddling over there. Everytime we meddle, we mess things up and create a bigger problem. I agree with people who say that they should be responsible for their own country. The problem is, we've already stuck our military's nose in their business, made promises and then never delivered. It's a little too late to just let them run their own things b/c the US/UN helped create the current problems.

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    I think I agree with you quinn. Getting involved in other countries' business may sometimes be morally justified, but at the present time the US government just doesn't have the money to get involved overseas more than absolutely necessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arm-spin View Post
    I think I agree with you quinn. Getting involved in other countries' business may sometimes be morally justified, but at the present time the US government just doesn't have the money to get involved overseas more than absolutely necessary.
    Exactly. And just to be clear to everyone: I am not complaining about anyone currently serving or who has served. I am complaining about policies that politicians make that put those brave men and women in unneccessary danger. The ones actually wearing the uniform are phenomenal.

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