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    How many times have you heard the mainstream media dismiss certain points of view as ?conspiracy theories?? It seems as though one of the easiest ways to brush something off is to label it as something that only ?conspiracy theorists? would believe. Well, you know what? A whole lot of the time the ?conspiracy theorists? are right and the mainstream media is wrong. In fact, we owe a great debt to ?conspiracy theorists? because they will go places and investigate things that the mainstream media would never even touch. The reality is that the mainstream media only tells us what the government and the big corporations want us to hear, and much of the time it is those in the alternative media that are left with the task of trying to figure out what the real truth is. So don?t look down on conspiracy theories or conspiracy theorists. In a world where almost everything we are told is a lie, the truth can be very difficult to find.
    The following are 14 conspiracy theories that the media now admits are conspiracy facts?.
    #1 Fukushima Uninhabitable
    Back in April, I published an article entitled ?Much Of Northern Japan Uninhabitable Due To Nuclear Radiation?? At the time, almost everyone in the mainstream media was insisting that Fukushima was nothing like Chernobyl and that those that lived near Fukushima would be able to return to their homes fairly soon.
    Well, it turns out that those of us that feared the worst were right after all. Just consider the following quote from the New York Times?.
    Broad areas around the stricken Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant could soon be declared uninhabitable, perhaps for decades, after a government survey found radioactive contamination that far exceeded safe levels, several major media outlets said Monday.
    #2 U.S. Military Attack On Libya
    At the beginning of this year, nobody would have dreamed that the U.S. military would have attacked Libya this year.
    But it happened. At first those that tried to warn about an upcoming conflict with Libya were called kooks, and even up until recently many in the media were still trying to deny that NATO was arming and training the rebels.
    Well, the truth is that NATO had special forces on the ground even before the conflict began.
    The ?rebel groups? (which include large numbers of al-Qaeda fighters) would have been soundly defeated by Gaddafi if not for relentless air strikes by the U.S. military and NATO.
    Instead of a straightforward invasion like we saw in Afghanistan and Iraq, the U.S. military and NATO systematically developed, trained and equipped ?rebel groups? within the country and have used them as the ground forces for this campaign.
    That way the goals of the U.S. and EU could still be achieved, but in the end they would have less blood on their hands.
    As the conflict winds down, now even the New York Times is admitting that we have trained and equipped the rebels?.
    ?We always knew there would be a point where the effectiveness of the government forces would decline to the point where they could not effectively command and control their forces,? said the diplomat, who was granted anonymity to discuss confidential details of the battle inside Tripoli.
    ?At the same time,? the diplomat said, ?the learning curve for the rebels, with training and equipping, was increasing. What we?ve seen in the past two or three weeks is these two curves have crossed.?
    Sadly, there is still a very good chance that U.S. troops could end up on the ground in Libya.
    Many prominent officials are already calling for the U.S. and the EU to provide occupation forces. Richard Haas, the president of the Council on Foreign Relations, has authored an opinion piece for the Financial Times entitled ?Libya Now Needs Boots on the Ground?.
    If that happens, it will likely end up being a situation very similar to what we have today in Iraq.
    #3 Widespread Use Of RFID Chips In Humans
    The doubters said it would never happen. They said we would never see the day when RFID chips were implanted in humans on a widespread basis.
    Well, today there are examples of this all over the world. One of the most stunning examples recently has come out of Mexico. According to the Washington Post, ?thousands of worried Mexicans? have been having ?satellite and radio-frequency tracking products? implanted in their skin in order to protect themselves against abduction.
    #4 $2000 Gold
    It was only a matter of months ago that we were told that gold was ?in a bubble? at $1400 or $1500 an ounce.
    Well, gold recently crossed the $1900 an ounce barrier, and appears poised to go much higher as global financial instability intensifies.
    #5 Obama Wants To Impose Backdoor Amnesty
    Those that warned that Barack Obama was going to impose amnesty for illegal immigrants by executive fiat were called ?nuts? and ?conspiracy theorists?.
    Well, it has happened. The Obama administration has now instituted ?backdoor amnesty? for illegal immigrants and even plans to provide them with work permits.
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    #6 U.S. Government Provides Weapons For Mexican Drug Cartels
    For a long time there were those that claimed that the U.S. government was providing guns to Mexican drug cartels, but nobody wanted to listen.
    Well, it is all now a matter of public record. It turns out that the U.S. government facilitated the transfer of thousands of guns into the hands of Mexican drug cartels.
    The following is a brief excerpt from a CBS News report that discusses the fierce opposition that many ATF agents expressed to allowing thousands of guns to be given into the hands of the Mexican drug cartels?.
    On the phone, one Project Gunrunner source (who didn?t want to be identified) told us just how many guns flooded the black market under ATF?s watchful eye. ?The numbers are over 2,500 on that case by the way. That?s how many guns were sold ? including some 50-calibers they let walk.?
    50-caliber weapons are fearsome. For months, ATF agents followed 50-caliber Barrett rifles and other guns believed headed for the Mexican border, but were ordered to let them go. One distraught agent was often overheard on ATF radios begging and pleading to be allowed to intercept transports. The answer: ?Negative. Stand down.?
    CBS News has been told at least 11 ATF agents and senior managers voiced fierce opposition to the strategy. ?It got ugly?? said one. There was ?screaming and yelling? says another. A third warned: ?this is crazy, somebody is gonna to get killed.?
    Amazingly, three of the key ATF officials involved in putting thousands of guns into the hands of Mexican drug cartels were recently promoted.
    #7 Fluoride Is Harmful
    Incredibly, the federal government is finally admitting that high levels of fluoride in our drinking water can be harmful. In fact, the feds have reduced the ?recommended amount? of fluoride in our drinking water for the first time in 50 years.
    We probably won?t see them ban fluoride any time soon, but for them to even acknowledge a problem with fluoride is a major step. In a recent article on CNN, it was reported that the federal government is now saying that high levels of fluoride in the water have now officially been linked with fluorosis?.
    The Department of Health and Human Services and Environmental Protection Agency are proposing the change because of an increase in fluorosis ? a condition that causes spotting and streaking on children?s teeth.
    #8 The Federal Reserve Favors The Big Banks
    We were always told by the media that the Federal Reserve was ?above politics? and that it did not show favoritism.
    Well, we all know now that the Fed is deeply corrupt and about the only people that they actually help are their friends.
    It turns out that the Federal Reserve very quietly showered the big banks and their friends with hundreds of billions of dollars in loans at rates that were substantially below market during the financial crisis. While Wall Street was being flooded with easy loans, none of the small banks that were deeply suffering and no average Americans got any money.
    #9 Cell Phones Linked To Cancer
    For years, ?conspiracy theorists? have been claiming that cell phone use can cause cancer.
    Well, the mainstream media is starting to catch up. Some very startling scientific studies have come out recently that are hard to ignore.
    The following is an excerpt from a recent CNN article about one of these studies?.
    At the highest exposure levels ? using a mobile phone half an hour a day over a 10-year period ? the study found a 40 percent increased risk of glioma brain tumors.
    #10 The Credit Rating Agencies Are Corrupt
    We have all been taught that the credit rating agencies are supposed to be objective.
    But in the real world things are not that simple.
    For example, just a short time after long-term U.S. government debt was downgraded, the head of Standard & Poor?s is resigning, and is being replacedby Douglas Peterson, the former COO of Citigroup.
    Do you think the former COO of Citigroup is going to come down hard on his former comrades over at the big Wall Street banks?
    Also, a whistleblower has come forward with some stunning revelations about Moody?s. The following is what former analyst William Harrington says was going on over at that credit agency during the financial crisis?.
    ?The track record of management influence in committees speaks for itself ? it produced hollowed-out (collateralized debt obligation) opinions that were at great odds with the private opinions of committees and which were not durable for even a short period after publication?
    #11 Prescription Drugs Kill A Lot Of Americans
    Growing up, I never even imagined that prescription drugs could be dangerous. I had complete faith in the medical community and the government to only allow drugs on the market that were fully tested and proven to be 100% safe.
    Well, I was dead wrong. The truth is that adverse reactions to prescription drugs kill a huge number of Americans every year. A recent Vanity Fair article entitled ?Deadly Medicine? began with the following statement?.
    Prescription drugs kill some 200,000 Americans every year. Will that number go up, now that most clinical trials are conducted overseas?on sick Russians, homeless Poles, and slum-dwelling Chinese?in places where regulation is virtually nonexistent, the F.D.A. doesn?t reach, and ?mistakes? can end up in pauper?s graves?
    #12 Bisphenol-A Is Linked To Infertility
    A very common chemical known as bisphenol-A is found in thousands upon thousands of our plastic products. It also turns out that it has some really nasty effects on the human body.
    Fortunately, some in the mainstream media are beginning to acknowledge this. Back in October, one of the largest UK newspapers published an article entitled ?Bisphenol-A now linked to male infertility? which made the following unequivocal statement about the dangers of BPA?.
    Bisphenol-A (BPA), known as the ?gender bending? chemical because of its connection to male impotence, has now been shown to decrease sperm mobility and quality.
    #13 The ?Super Congress? Is In The Pocket Of Wall Street Interests
    The amount of money that has been donated to the campaigns of those on the ?Super Congress? is absolutely astounding.
    Just check out what a recent CNBC article had to say about the matter?.
    Overall, according to the center?s research, the dozen super committee members have raised more than $50 million from the finance, insurance and real estate sector since the 1990 election cycle.
    How much influence do you think 50 million dollars is going to buy?
    #14 The Targeting Of Christian Groups
    We are increasingly hearing from the Obama administration and some members of Congress that we need to be really concerned about ?homegrown terrorists? and ?Christian extremists?.
    For example, during a recent Congressional hearing U.S. Representative Sheila Jackson Lee warned that ?Christian militants? might try to ?bring down the country? and that such groups need to be investigated.
    In addition, according to a shocking document obtained by Oath Keepers, the FBI is now instructing store owners to report many new forms of ?suspicious activity? to them. According to the document, ?suspicious activity? now includes making ?extreme religious statements? and believing in ?radical theology?.
    Not only that, a Department of Homeland Security report on ?right wing extremism? from April 2009 lists the following people as potential terrorists?.
    -those that believe in ?end times? prophecies
    -those that believe abortion is wrong
    -those that stockpile food, ammunition or weapons
    -those that are against same-sex marriage
    You know, I think I would rather be a man than a god . We don't need anyone to believe in us. We just keep going anyhow. It's what we do.

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    Regarding #7: it has been know for many years that intake of high levels of fluoride by children can cause fluorosis - a harmless condition of dark spots on teeth. This usually occurs when the naturally occurring levels of fluoride in drinking water are high, and is NOT caused when fluoride is added to water with low natural levels. Fluoride levels of drinking water have been monitored for many, many years, and when the proper amount of fluoride is added to drinking water, fluorosis is not a problem and dental decay is severely inhibited. It makes no more sense to say that fluoride is harmful than it does to say that penicillin is harmful. Anything can cause problems when improperly administered.
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    Fluoride is also a key dumbing down ingredient of Prozac and Sarin nerve gas.

    Did you know that sodium Fluoride is also one of the basic ingredients in both PROZAC (FLUoxetene Hydrochloride) and Sarin Nerve Gas (Isopropyl-Methyl-Phosphoryl FLUORIDE) - (Yes, folks the same Sarin Nerve Gas that terrorists released on a crowded Japanese subway train!). Let me repeat: the truth the American public needs to understand is the fact that Sodium Fluoride is nothing more (or less) than a hazardous waste by-product of the nuclear and aluminum industries. In addition to being the primary ingredient in rat and cockroach poisons, it is also a main ingredient in anesthetic, hypnotic, and psychiatric drugs as well as military NERVE GAS! Why, oh why then is it allowed to be added to the toothpastes and drinking water of the American people?


    Fluoride has been historically used as a tool to oppress populations and was highly regulated. But because modern industry wants to make $$$, they have forced the idea that it is "good" for our teeth and it has poisoned a good portion of society.



    Selected Timeline of Fluoride


    1940 ? Soviet concentration camps maintained by fluoride administration to inmates to decrease resistance to authority and induce physical deteriorization.

    1942 ? Germany becomes worlds largest producer of aluminum (and Sodium Fluoride). Fluoride is used in the concentration camps to render the prisoners docile and inhibit the questioning of authority.

    1943 ? Researchers from the US Public Health Service examine the health of residents of Bartlett, Texas to see if the 8ppm fluoride in the drinking water was affecting their health. It was checked again in 1953. They find that the death rate in Bartlett was three times higher than a neighboring town which contained 0.4 ppm fluoride.

    1944 ? "Even at 1ppm, fluoride in drinking water poisons cattle, horses and sheep" (Moules, G.R., Water Pollution Research and Summary of Current Literature, 1944.

    1995 ? A Chinese study on fluorides finds that the IQ of children is lowered in fluoridated areas. Zhang, I.B., et al, "Effect of a High Fluoride Water Supply on Children's Intelligence" [Pending Publication]



    Facts of Fluoride

    ? Further studies by the New Jersey Department of Health have now confirmed a 6.9 fold increase in bone cancer in young males.

    ? Fluoride Increases Hip Fractures

    ? Drinking fluoridated water will double the number of hip fractures for both older men and women.

    ? Fluoride Increases Infertility

    ? Infertility in women was found to increase with water fluoridation.

    ? Food and Drug Administration (FDA) scientists reported a close correlation between decreasing total fertility rates in women between ages of 10 and 49, and increasing fluoride levels.

    ? Fluoride Is Unapproved By FDA

    ? The FDA considers fluoride an unapproved new drug for which there is no proof of safety or effectiveness.

    ? The FDA does not consider fluoride an essential nutrient.

    ? Fluoride Is Highly Toxic

    ? The International Academy of Oral Medicine and Toxicology has classified Fluoride as an unapproved dental medicament due to its high toxicity.


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    http://www.fluoridealert.org/
    http://www.wholywater.com/fluoride.html

    http://www.fluoridealert.org
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    Thank you for the article, Payton. I don't doubt a word of it, but I will check it all out. Man, you keep a guy on his toes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by r.payton@att.net View Post
    Fluoride is also a key dumbing down ingredient of Prozac and Sarin nerve gas.

    Did you know that sodium Fluoride is also one of the basic ingredients in both PROZAC (FLUoxetene Hydrochloride) and Sarin Nerve Gas (Isopropyl-Methyl-Phosphoryl FLUORIDE) - (Yes, folks the same Sarin Nerve Gas that terrorists released on a crowded Japanese subway train!). Let me repeat: the truth the American public needs to understand is the fact that Sodium Fluoride is nothing more (or less) than a hazardous waste by-product of the nuclear and aluminum industries. In addition to being the primary ingredient in rat and cockroach poisons, it is also a main ingredient in anesthetic, hypnotic, and psychiatric drugs as well as military NERVE GAS! Why, oh why then is it allowed to be added to the toothpastes and drinking water of the American people?


    Fluoride has been historically used as a tool to oppress populations and was highly regulated. But because modern industry wants to make $$$, they have forced the idea that it is "good" for our teeth and it has poisoned a good portion of society.



    Selected Timeline of Fluoride


    1940 ? Soviet concentration camps maintained by fluoride administration to inmates to decrease resistance to authority and induce physical deteriorization.

    1942 ? Germany becomes worlds largest producer of aluminum (and Sodium Fluoride). Fluoride is used in the concentration camps to render the prisoners docile and inhibit the questioning of authority.

    1943 ? Researchers from the US Public Health Service examine the health of residents of Bartlett, Texas to see if the 8ppm fluoride in the drinking water was affecting their health. It was checked again in 1953. They find that the death rate in Bartlett was three times higher than a neighboring town which contained 0.4 ppm fluoride.

    1944 ? "Even at 1ppm, fluoride in drinking water poisons cattle, horses and sheep" (Moules, G.R., Water Pollution Research and Summary of Current Literature, 1944.

    1995 ? A Chinese study on fluorides finds that the IQ of children is lowered in fluoridated areas. Zhang, I.B., et al, "Effect of a High Fluoride Water Supply on Children's Intelligence" [Pending Publication]



    Facts of Fluoride

    ? Further studies by the New Jersey Department of Health have now confirmed a 6.9 fold increase in bone cancer in young males.

    ? Fluoride Increases Hip Fractures

    ? Drinking fluoridated water will double the number of hip fractures for both older men and women.

    ? Fluoride Increases Infertility

    ? Infertility in women was found to increase with water fluoridation.

    ? Food and Drug Administration (FDA) scientists reported a close correlation between decreasing total fertility rates in women between ages of 10 and 49, and increasing fluoride levels.

    ? Fluoride Is Unapproved By FDA

    ? The FDA considers fluoride an unapproved new drug for which there is no proof of safety or effectiveness.

    ? The FDA does not consider fluoride an essential nutrient.

    ? Fluoride Is Highly Toxic

    ? The International Academy of Oral Medicine and Toxicology has classified Fluoride as an unapproved dental medicament due to its high toxicity.


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    http://curezone.com/dental/fluoride.asp
    http://www.fluoridealert.org/
    http://www.wholywater.com/fluoride.html

    http://www.fluoridealert.org
    The fluoride ion is present in many compounds, and their properties differ dramatically. The fluoride in water, toothpaste, topically administered gels and systemically administered tablets is entirely different from the uses quoted above.

    When you find me some data from accredited scientific research organizations and not anti-fluoride junk science whackos (gee, I'm starting to sound like Rush), I'll listen. Nothing personal, r.payton, but I've listened to this garbage about dental amalgam and fluoride for years, and it only serves to interfere with sound dental treatment and deprive the public of useful therapies.
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    Spider,
    I cannot find a PRO fluoride group other than the ADA and the Govt.-nowhere have i found PRO not outweighed 10 to 1 by CON-I used to laugh at this-back when Dr.Strangelove first came out with the paranoid General guarding ''our precious bodily fluids'' then when I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes my Dr. advised me to drink bottled water. When I asked why he said I should research the various elements in public drinking water and I have. This debate has gone on since the clean water act and shows no evidence of dying down . I have searched the FDA and the AMMA and just found more questions.
    I HAD to switch to bottled water when I moved to Danville as the water from the faucett is a nice shade of brown-I use the same water bottle as refills are 39 cents and I do NOT throw plastic away-I got tired of boiling the water-but I digress-
    I cannot find a definitive answer to the Fluoride debate ...

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    Question 13.
    Does fluoride in the water supply, at the levels recommended for the prevention of tooth decay, adversely affect human health?

    ADA's Fluoridation Facts Short Answer
    The overwhelming weight of scientific evidence indicates that fluoridation of community water supplies is both safe and effective.

    ADA's Fluoridation Facts Long Answer
    For generations, millions of people have lived in areas where fluoride is found naturally in drinking water in concentrations as high or higher than those recommended to prevent tooth decay. Research conducted among these persons confirms the safety of fluoride in the water supply.54, 92-95 In fact, in August 1993, the National Research Council, a branch of the National Academy of Sciences, released a report prepared for the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) that confirmed that the currently allowed fluoride levels in drinking water do not pose a risk for health problems such as cancer, kidney failure or bone disease.96

    Based on a review of available data on fluoride toxicity, the expert subcommittee that wrote the report concluded that the EPA's ceiling of 4 ppm for naturally occurring fluoride in drinking water was "appropriate as an interim standard."96 Subsequently, the EPA announced that the ceiling of 4 ppm would protect against adverse health effects with an adequate margin of safety and published a notice of intent not to revise the fluoride drinking water standard in the Federal Register.97
    As with other nutrients, fluoride is safe and effective when used and consumed properly. No charge against the benefits and safety of fluoridation has ever been substantiated by generally accepted scientific knowledge. After 50 years of research and practical experience, the preponderance of scientific evidence indicates that fluoridation of community water supplies is both safe and effective.98
    Additional discussion on this topic may be found in Question 19 and Question 32.
    Many organizations in the U.S. and around the world involved with health issues have recognized the benefits of community water fluoridation. The American Dental Association adopted its original resolution in support of fluoridation in 1950, and has repeatedly reaffirmed its position publicly and in its House of Delegates based on its continuing evaluation of the safety and effectiveness of fluoridation.3 The American Medical Association's (AMA) House of Delegates first endorsed fluoridation in 1951.
    In 1986, and again in 1996, the AMA reaffirmed its support for fluoridation as an effective means of reducing dental decay.99 The World Health Organization, which initially recommended the practice of water fluoridation in 1969,100 reaffirmed its support for fluoridation in 1994 stating that: "Providing that a community has a piped water supply, water fluoridation is the most effective method of reaching the whole population, so that all social classes benefit without the need for active participation on the part of individuals."82 Following a comprehensive 1991 review and evaluation of the public health benefits and risks of fluoride, the U.S. Public Health Service reaffirmed its support for fluoridation and continues to recommend the use of fluoride to prevent dental decay.54
    National and international health, service and professional organizations that recognize the public health benefits of community water fluoridation for preventing dental decay may be viewed in the Compendium.
    Repeat of Question 13.
    Does fluoride in the water supply, at the levels recommended for the prevention of tooth decay, adversely affect human health?

    Opposition's Response
    A letter from the FDA on August 15, 1963, states: "Sodium fluoride used for therapeutic effect would be a drug, not a mineral nutrient. Fluoride has not been determined essential to human nutrition. Above 2 milligrams per day of total intake of fluorides can cause tooth mottling in sensitive persons. It would be impossible to state a safe amount for supplementation by an individual without knowledge of the amount of fluorides already being consumed by him from such sources as drinking water and food grown in soils that are rich in fluorides." (See 13-1: copy of letter from FDA, and see Overdose section).
    "The Food and Drug Administration Office of Prescription Drug Compliance has confirmed, to my surprise, that there are no studies to demonstrate either the safety or effectiveness of these (fluoride) drugs, which FDA classifies as unapproved new drugs." (See 13-2: letter by John V. Kelly, New Jersey Assemblyman, dated June 3, 1993).
    On May 26, 1995, John V. Kelly also wrote: "Children's fluoride supplements are marketed without the required New Drug Applications demonstrating safety and effectiveness. This situation exists as a result of manufacturers introducing products directly into the market prior to 1962 without seeking FDA approval. According to the FDA Office of Prescription Drug Compliance there are approximately 3,000 drugs in this category." (See 13-8: Letter. Also see www.citizens.org).
    Yet the American Dental Association leads us to believe that it is safe for everyone, that the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) endorses fluoridation, and that they consider up to 4 ppm fluoride in the water as "perfectly safe."
    When the EPA was engaged in revising its drinking water standard for fluorine in 1985, the EPA's Headquarters Union of Scientists (consisting of 1,500 professional people) made a thorough investigation into the pros and cons of fluoridation, and found that there is a great deal of proof that it is neither safe nor effective.
    Their conclusions were: The public water supply should not be used "as a vehicle for disseminating this toxic and prophylactically useless (via ingestion, at any rate) substance."
    They also stated: "Recent, peer-reviewed toxicity data, when applied to EPA's standard method for controlling risks from toxic chemicals, require an immediate halt to the use of the nation's drinking water reservoirs as disposal sites for the toxic waste of the phosphate fertilizer industry." (See 1-6: "Why EPA's Headquarters Union of Scientists Oppose Fluoridation," by Union Vice-Pres., J. W. Hirzy, May 1, 1999. It covers the many reasons why they arrived at this conclusion).
    Because (these) EPA scientists refused to back down on their insistence that the maximum contaminate level (MCL) for fluoride should be reduced, the EPA (management team) contracted with the National Academy of Sciences (NAS), a private agency, to review the fluoride MCL of 4.0 ppm. The NAS formed a seven-member National Research Council (NRC) subcommittee dominated by long-time fluoridation promoters from the National Institute of Dental Research (NIDR). Although a number of researchers have published evidence of harm from fluoridation, not one of them was asked to participate in the work of the subcommittee.
    At the same time that this NIDR-dominated subcommittee was evaluating the safety of water containing 1.0 - 4.0 ppm fluoride, the NIDR was informing New Jersey Assemblyman Kelly that it "could not produce any research demonstrating either the safety or the effectiveness of prescription fluoride in doses of the same magnitude as those administered in fluoridated water."
    Nonetheless, a 1988 administrative decision in the EPA raised the MCL for fluoride from 2.0 ppm to 4.0 ppm (with no proof of safety) in order to relieve certain water suppliers of the burden of removing excess endemic fluorides from their water. Removing fluoride from water is expensive. In most cases it requires distillation or reverse osmosis filtration. Charcoal filters used to remove chlorine and other substances from water do not remove fluorine compounds. (See 13-3: details in "Comments on Reevaluating the Fluoride in Drinking Water Standard," by Robert J. Carton, Ph.D., Vice-President, Local 2050 of the National Federation of Federal Employees, before the Drinking Water Committee of the Science Advisory Board of the Environmental Protection Agency, Arlington, VA, Nov. 1, 1991. At that time this union represented the 1,100 scientists, lawyers, and engineers at EPA Headquarters).
    "Our members' review of the body of evidence over the last eleven years, including animal and human epidemiology studies, indicate a causal link between fluoride/fluoridation and cancer, genetic damage, neurological impairment, and bone pathology. Of particular concern are recent epidemiology studies linking fluoride exposure to lowered IQ in children." (Letter dated July 2, 1997, from J. William Hirzy, Ph.D. to Jeff Green. The union (now NTEU, Chapter 280) consists of and represents all of the toxicologists, chemists, biologists and other professionals at EPA headquarters, Washington, D.C.)
    Regarding the silicofluorides used in 90% of US fluoridation programs, EPA states, "In collecting the data for the fact sheet, EPA was not able to identify chronic studies for these chemicals." (Letter of June 23, 1999, from EPA Asst. Adm. J. Charles Fox to US Representative Ken Calvert, Chairman, Subcommittee on Energy and The Environment, Washington, DC.)
    Dr. Hardy Limeback, B.Sc.,Ph.D. (biochemistry), D.D.S., Head of Departmant of Preventative Dentistry, University of Toronto, Ontario, Canada, leading Canadian fluoride authority and consultant to the Canadian Dental Association, after surveying the growing evidence, makes this statement: "Children under three should never use fluoridated toothpaste. Or drink fluoridated water. And baby formula must never be made up using Toronto (fluoridated) tap water. Never." He goes on to say: " ... we are now spending more treating dental fluorosis than we would spend treating cavities if water were not fluoridated." (See 13-4: "A Crack Appears in the Fluoride Front," from Toronto Star, Apr. 25, 1999).
    John D. MacArthur states, "History repeats itself. Just like the acidic leaves that leeched lead from the paint on that 18th century roof, fluosilicic acid leaches lead from plumbing. This was graphically demonstrated in two communities that stopped fluoridating their water systems. Their lead levels dropped significantly. During a 1992 drought in Tacoma, Washington, they temporarily stopped fluoridating their water and lead levels dropped from 32 ppb (parts per billion) to 17 ppb. When Thurmont, Maryland stopped fluoridating their drinking water in 1994, the lead level in homes dropped from 30 ppb to 7 ppb. (The EPA's Maximum Contaminant Level is 15 ppb). ("Fluoride Banned in Thurmont, Maryland," Frederick Post , Feb. 3, 1994, p. A-9.) Also see, 13-5: "Letter from C.R. Myrick, Water Quality Coordinator, Tacoma Public Utilities to Washington State Dept. of Health", Dec. 2,
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    Their conclusions were: The public water supply should not be used "as a vehicle for disseminating this toxic and prophylactically useless (via ingestion, at any rate) substance."

    All I can tell you is that there are many scientific, controlled studies demonstrating the effectiveness of fluoridated water in preventing dental caries (cavities). It is true that it is of no benefit when ingested after the teeth have completely formed (around age 16), but it is false that it is an any way toxic at therapeutic doses. I could reference the studies, but I'm too busy and too lazy. I will ask this, though. what possible motive would the American Dental Association have to promote water fluoridation other than to safely prevent disease? It is so inexpensive to do that a financial kickback doesn't make sense, and even though it eliminates business for member dentist, it is consistent with dentistry's mission to serve the public.

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    Studies from who? Funded by who?

    Spider my friend you are a bit too trusting on this particular topic IMO. You couldn't pay me to drink that stuff. I don't have the time right this second but I have plenty of stuff regarding how UN-fun that chemical is for the human brain & pH levels.

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    this picture is from Danville's water sucks on facebook-I have been to 3 town meetings and no -one has done anything about this yet-their excuse is they were ripped off 2-3 years ago when they switched water suppliers ?? so the citizens have to buy bottled water.
    You know, I think I would rather be a man than a god . We don't need anyone to believe in us. We just keep going anyhow. It's what we do.

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