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    Default Wisconsin Republicans overcome recall vote

    After all of the grandstanding by the senate democrats leaving the state to avoid doing their job the voters saw fit to retain four of six republicans that were targeted in a recall election. Seems the voters dont mind the economic and social policies tehy passed. Now the libs will try to recall the Gov. of Wisconsin. If they do that would be a victory but for now it looks like the people are liking what the republicans are offering.

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    I think today there is a greater appreciation for balancing the budget than before.
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    I heard on the radio that 35 million dollars were spent trying to get the republicans out. I know they said unions paid into the effort but don't know if they were the only ones. Probably some democrat groups, too. Either way, that is a lot of money spent on a state senate. That's the type of money you normally hear about on a national level. And why aren't people in the unions raising hell because their dues are being spent like this? You'de think they would want it spent soley on them or else lower the dues. Heck, if they got that kind of extra money floating around, why don't they use it to off-set their own healthcare costs and pensions?

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    Union members usually have very, very little say in where union money is spent.

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    No doubt that the unions, local and national, have forked over the majority of it. Its a shame that they can toss union dues so easily.

    At some point, the peple defending the unions will figure out that the very reason they may be unemployed is the unions themselves.
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    Default Re: Wisconsin Republicans overcome recall vote

    Quote Originally Posted by quinn14 View Post
    I heard on the radio that 35 million dollars were spent trying to get the republicans out. I know they said unions paid into the effort but don't know if they were the only ones. Probably some democrat groups, too. Either way, that is a lot of money spent on a state senate. That's the type of money you normally hear about on a national level. And why aren't people in the unions raising hell because their dues are being spent like this? You'd think they would want it spent soley on them or else lower the dues. Heck, if they got that kind of extra money floating around, why don't they use it to off-set their own healthcare costs and pensions?
    Imagine the interest that $35 million could have earned or the ROI if they would have SHORTED the market last week...Amazing how Self-interest overrides arithmetic. Unions have done some good for workers int he past but IMO they have become ridiculous for quite some time.

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    If there ever was a good reasons for Unions to spend money in a political fight this was it.
    The legislature took away all their power as a union.

    You guys don't seem to like unions or Dems. so nothing they do would meet your approval.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ODH View Post
    You guys don't seem to like unions or Dems. so nothing they do would meet your approval.
    Not entirely true. I worked for a union for years. I liked my working conditions inside the plant. What I didn't like was that "I" was not represented at all. When it came time to lay people off, it wasn't done by work performance or even a recommendation from a supervisor. They simply went down the seniority list and layed off all the younger guys who were really doing all the work. They upped my union dues without a vote or even a letter saying they were doing it. Since I live in Ohio, I could not opt out of the union. Everyone hired around the same time as me could see it coming. Our orders took 3 weeks to get to the customer. Our competitors took 3 days. They told us that at several plant wide meetings. But nothing changed b/c the old men still working there from the 60's&70's could not grasp the fact that they now had competitors. They were set in their ways and would not change. So good workers got laid off and the company is still suffering for it.

    Instead of taking my union dues and using them for politicians that I don't support, they could have put it in a bank and used it to help those of us who got laid off go back to school or buy groceries or pay mortgages. That didn't and doesn't happen. The union is for the union bosses and not the worker.

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    Default Re: Wisconsin Republicans overcome recall vote

    Has nothing to do with liking or no liking. It has to do with common sense. It has to arithmetic that a 6 year old understands. People continue to want OTHER people to support them when there is NO money to do it.

    If the Union members had ever got off their butts & took on the responsibility to OWN a business & run it instead of working for one, they would completely understand that. But they haven't & they won't. Many people fail to grasp that a group or a business or a government can only put out what the members of the group PUT INTO IT. A business is NOT something that owes you a living. A business is not something an individual can endless take & take & take from without there being a CONSEQUENCE to that endless taking.

    THis is what our political leaders are finding out.

    Remember the DEMOCRATICs Campaign videos from years ago when Clinton & Gore were running?

    It portrayed a bunch of kids putting their elders on trial for leaving them a debt that they could never handle. WELL Obama AND Bush are making sure that future nightmare has arrived TODAY.

    Nobody is OWNED their survival. You have to fight for it. But by the rule of law we can help each other achieve survival for the group, the government, the society & the planet. But even the rule of law can't help you when the math is bad. Then the rule becomes EVERYONE tighten their belts. Union members don't seem to realize that.

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