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    Quote Originally Posted by quinn14 View Post
    History has shown that you can't govern the future. That's why all of our entitlement programs are going bankrupt now. That's why nations in Europe are going broke. No one knows what the future holds or how much things will cost. You can't guarantee a future for anyone but yourself. Governments throughout history have proven that. If it could be done, then how did Rome fall?
    This isn't the first time you've dramatically oversimplified the financial crisis in Europe. A lot of it has to do with the Euro currency, world markets, bank bailouts, US crash, even Goldman Sachs, etc and it has affected some countries much worse than others - it's not like every socialist European country had a major deficit problem they were ignoring to keep a strong welfare state, in many cases their debt wasn't nearly as pressing as in the US. Greece was ridiculously irresponsible with their retirement benefits especially given their extreme demographic differences from other developed nations. Bailing them out led to crashes in Spain, Belgium, Ireland and maybe a couple other countries. Despite their much stronger welfare states Germany, France and Sweden are doing much better than the United States right now even with the European sovereign debt crisis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quinn14 View Post
    History has shown that you can't govern the future. That's why all of our entitlement programs are going bankrupt now. That's why nations in Europe are going broke. No one knows what the future holds or how much things will cost. You can't guarantee a future for anyone but yourself. Governments throughout history have proven that. If it could be done, then how did Rome fall?
    Over-expansion, not enough money to run the empire & then a slew of psychotic power hungry rulers. Oh wait, you asked how ROME fell...sorry.

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    The EU Central Bank is doing the same thing Obama did: Bail outs. It can't last. It won't last. But this is all a part of the plan. Crash the monetary sys & the economies so that the answer will be a World Bank & World Currency. That will pretty much dictate a World Government whether we ever get one of those in name or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bwh27 View Post
    This isn't the first time you've dramatically oversimplified the financial crisis in Europe. A lot of it has to do with the Euro currency, world markets, bank bailouts, US crash, even Goldman Sachs, etc and it has affected some countries much worse than others - it's not like every socialist European country had a major deficit problem they were ignoring to keep a strong welfare state, in many cases their debt wasn't nearly as pressing as in the US. Greece was ridiculously irresponsible with their retirement benefits especially given their extreme demographic differences from other developed nations. Bailing them out led to crashes in Spain, Belgium, Ireland and maybe a couple other countries. Despite their much stronger welfare states Germany, France and Sweden are doing much better than the United States right now even with the European sovereign debt crisis.
    In my simplicity, I believe you are over thinking things. This happens every time governments try to govern the future and take control of people's lives. Do you think I am wrong when I say that you can't control anyone's future but your own? George Soros, Warren Buffet and others made money while governments are losing theirs. People who saw this coming and invested their retirements in things like gold and silver also made out. Meanwhile, people in Greece and other nations waiting for a government payout are now losing money and rioting. The same will happen here. Give it a few years. If you choose to believe that government entitlements will give you health care and retirement, good luck. But don't say you weren't warned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kr1963 View Post
    Over-expansion, not enough money to run the empire & then a slew of psychotic power hungry rulers. Oh wait, you asked how ROME fell...sorry.
    lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by kr1963 View Post
    Over-expansion, not enough money to run the empire & then a slew of psychotic power hungry rulers. Oh wait, you asked how ROME fell...sorry.
    Post of the day.

    It's funny how often I am in complete disagremeent (I mean complete) with KR, but then other times we're simpatico.

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    I missed it so could someone define "rich" in the context of this discussion? And just a polite question to the person posting that 45 m people in the US live under the poverty line...who is in this population? Are these only wage age Americans or does it include the parents and their six kids? Does it include prisioners and retirees? College students?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flop The Nuts View Post
    Post of the day.

    It's funny how often I am in complete disagremeent (I mean complete) with KR, but then other times we're simpatico.
    sometimes u sleep with people u hate. sometimes u "smack" people u love. So it goes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pm01 View Post
    I missed it so could someone define "rich" in the context of this discussion? And just a polite question to the person posting that 45 m people in the US live under the poverty line...who is in this population? Are these only wage age Americans or does it include the parents and their six kids? Does it include prisioners and retirees? College students?
    bw posted that and I don't know for sure but I am betting that there is no breakdown. I tried to look it up and didn't find a breakdown but maybe he will. Very good question. I hope he can find a breakdown because it would be interesting.

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