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    A Spy Speaks Out - CBS News
    When no weapons of mass destruction surfaced in Iraq, President Bush insisted that all those WMD claims before the war were the result of faulty intelligence, (OF COURSE!). But a former top CIA official, Tyler Drumheller ? a 26-year veteran of the agency ? has decided to do something CIA officials at his level almost never do: Speak out.

    EUobserver / 'Jury's out' on future of Europe, EU doyen says
    From the March 16th, 2009 issue of the EU-Observer:"A meeting in June in Europe of the Bilderberg Group - an informal club of leading politicians, businessmen and thinkers chaired by Mr Davignon - could also "improve understanding" on future action, in the same way it helped create the euro in the 1990s, he said."

    Interesting in the fact that the GROUP states they do not influence policy.

    FT.com / Technology - US group implants electronic tags in workers
    There are very serious privacy and civil liberty issues of having people permanently numbered as well as the fact that the small radiation associated with it has been demonstrated to be carcinogenic in animals. Do you think that this is smart?

    New child checks to identify future criminals - Telegraph
    1984? A Brave New World? No just what PM Tony Blair called the a further extension of the "surveillance state" in the UK, just 4 years ago in the Daily Telegraph. And you guys thought I was making this $hit up!

    From a China Traveler - Article - NYTimes.com
    David Rockefeller Calls Chairman Mao most successful leader, a leader who killed 35 million of his own people. Rockefeller is the man who was the CEO of Chase Manhattan Bank & Chairman of the Council on Foreign Relations. The majority of all Presidents in the last 50 years & presidential candidates have been CFR members.

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    But what about the cover up behind the cover up. This is my point there can never be any straight up evidence that conspiracy guy can look at in an objective manner, there will always be one more conspiracy behind the one in fron of him. If it would have been found that Bush and this group put everything together and committed the act of treason and terrorism on 9/11 then the conspiracy theorist would have to find some other conspiracy to believe in. Its like the song that never ends, it never ends because the theorist can never be satisfied.

    Here is the biggest reason why I dont buy conspiracy. THERE IS NO WAY A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE CAN KEEP A SECRET LIKE THAT, too many people would have to know. One person coming forward is not proof of anything, maybe they just want their 15 min of fame and a book deal and they have just enough juice to make it happen.

    Perhaps it is just my naivety, or the fact that I dont want to live in a world where I cant believe anything at all even if all the evidence points to it. If this is the case then I guess we cant trust anything from history and in reality you cant trust anything, not even the evidence provided by the conspiracy theorist, therefore making everything a lie.

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    Ugly
    What EVIL does is to rob you of your certainty so you DOUBT everything.

    Somewhere you have to find a STABLE DATUM upon which to base your sense of reality.

    Mine has grown out an understanding of INDUCTION reasoning (as opposed to DE-ductive) in which a person can examine data & facts & look at how this current situation came into being. This is a method of reverse engineering as opposed to looking at a situation & drawing a conclusion based upon preconceived notions.

    The only person who can ever change your mind is you. You either chose to examine the data & perhaps go down the rabbit hole or ignore it. My suggestion is never let the pain of the journey stop you from a destination.

    If you remember the movie the Matrix, that was an entire reality that was not real. If you read people like Fritoj Capra & David Bohm (both particle physicists) they talk about the physical universe being a holographic projection based upon the research. That certainly dispels the notion of a SOLID UNIVERSE & dismantles the entire Newtonian/Descartesian model of the physical reality as a STATIC.

    For many the ideas presented by "CTs" are received in the form of a final conclusion which for most is waaaay out in left field. The internet has provided a place where people can examine actual data that is the basis of these conclusions. If you watch films like Loose Change & Zeitgeist they give you information that you are free to go examine yourself.

    There can be the idea & even the experience that the rabbit hole just continues to go deeper. For me, that has always been a true motivation in life, to seek, know & experience the truth. Once you step in that direction, there is no turning back as the lies fall away. The main opposition comes in the form of your own willingness to seek & then analyze, (even be guided by your intuition). If you are unwilling & want to believe that what you think is happening IS what is happening, then examining anything that challenges that sense of reality will not be welcome. And the challenge comes in regaining your certainty of what is true & what is lies. In that we gain strength.

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    Btw in the next 12-18 months we will see TWO things:

    False Flag #1) Cyber-terrorism rising as the next great new evil to be addressed (this will be the precursor to giving up our rights to the internet. Some group ANON or DEAD COWS or LULZ will be named as the attackers of Government websites. Don't buy it;

    False Flag #2) Look for another "Gulf of Tonkin/Pearl Harbor" incident that will lead us to invade Iran & start WW III. Short that too.

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    Ugly I was where your at right now just a month ago. I was calling all the truthers like Jesse Ventura a bunch of cooks. I decided to give it a look. I no longer hold strong feeling toward these truthers.

    It is in fact, scary to really see that we can not trust all we are told by our government. But lets be real, the government is run by politicians, and we know what they are so good at. Its up to you whether you want to take the red pill.

    Remember who owns the news corportations? Just a small handful of people. And think about who those people are. I almost don't know where to turn. Instead of not believing that you have been lied to soley because you think its too big of a lie, take a harder look at the information, and the facts they want you to believe. They are telling us a square peg fell into a round hole and expect us to believe it.
    I pictured you as that guy Gaylord in Showboat, passing up taxis to walk because he's broke and playing it off as if it's the doctor's advice. - Clmetal

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    Quote Originally Posted by kr1963 View Post
    A Spy Speaks Out - CBS News
    When no weapons of mass destruction surfaced in Iraq, President Bush insisted that all those WMD claims before the war were the result of faulty intelligence, (OF COURSE!). But a former top CIA official, Tyler Drumheller ? a 26-year veteran of the agency ? has decided to do something CIA officials at his level almost never do: Speak out.

    EUobserver / 'Jury's out' on future of Europe, EU doyen says
    From the March 16th, 2009 issue of the EU-Observer:"A meeting in June in Europe of the Bilderberg Group - an informal club of leading politicians, businessmen and thinkers chaired by Mr Davignon - could also "improve understanding" on future action, in the same way it helped create the euro in the 1990s, he said."

    Interesting in the fact that the GROUP states they do not influence policy.

    FT.com / Technology - US group implants electronic tags in workers
    There are very serious privacy and civil liberty issues of having people permanently numbered as well as the fact that the small radiation associated with it has been demonstrated to be carcinogenic in animals. Do you think that this is smart?

    New child checks to identify future criminals - Telegraph
    1984? A Brave New World? No just what PM Tony Blair called the a further extension of the "surveillance state" in the UK, just 4 years ago in the Daily Telegraph. And you guys thought I was making this $hit up!

    From a China Traveler - Article - NYTimes.com
    David Rockefeller Calls Chairman Mao most successful leader, a leader who killed 35 million of his own people. Rockefeller is the man who was the CEO of Chase Manhattan Bank & Chairman of the Council on Foreign Relations. The majority of all Presidents in the last 50 years & presidential candidates have been CFR members.
    That's about the most indirect response possible. All of those examples are thoroughly documented and widely accepted, as opposed to the conjecture and selective "evidence" of conspiracy theory. Chomsky does not support Rockefeller, I have no idea how you got that idea in your head. The vast majority of scientists and experts have dismissed all the various 9/11 theories, just because a few truthers got a big book deal and hundreds of the millions of scientists are truthers doesn't mean much. It's not you all's skepticism that bothers me, it's the unfounded inference and implications that you're deriving from that skepticism. 9/11 is an extremely complex and difficult to understand event with nothing remotely approaching consensus, like all major disasters, and the bottom line is that there is no evidence implicating government involvement. The fact that they benefited from it after the fact is not evidence of involvement, it's the case for every world power who ratcheted up the anti-terror rhetoric to achieve their own ends.

    We can't all save the world, but for you guys to focus on thin stuff like this when there are well-documented atrocities going on all over the world just leaves a sour taste in my mouth. Discussing it is fine, I'm sure many of you have done more good than I have, I suppose I'm specifically referring to KR dismissing Chomsky's work outright when he's exhaustively addressed concrete issues while KR cites President Bush deceiving the country on Iraq WMD's as implied support for NWO and Bush being responsible for 9/11, that's not specific or helpful, it's extremist until you can present actual evidence.

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    The vast majority of scientists and experts have dismissed all the various 9/11 theories
    Are you sure about that? I have not heard one intellegent explanation for the the free fall, or implosion, or the Pentagon crash showing a hole smaller than the plane that is said to have hit it.
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    Ugly&Bw, I am still in your corner, but I am starting to question. I am not going to take every word of the movie leglace provided as true, because even the movie said not too. I am really wondering why presidents and other powerful people are holding these Klan-like secret meetings. They don't deny it, either. They just say you shouldn't care about it. That raises speculation in my eyes. Now, it could just be a group of powerful people acting out a ritual and nothing happens but they all get hookers at the end of the night. I don't know, but it is weird.

    A lot of people did report hearing explosions in the twin towers before they fell. I don't remember those reports, but they are shown in the movie. I am not a building expert and I don't think those who said they heard them are either, but a lot of people including firemen in the buildings reported bombs going off in lower levels before they came down. I can't explain it or even know how to find out the truth. I still don't know what Bush or anyone in US government would stand to gain by doing it. So, I am all twisted around.

    But, I won't just dismiss these theories now. I have to research them.

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    9/11 Conspiracy Theories - Debunking the Myths - World Trade Center - Popular Mechanics

    9/11 Conspiracy Theories - Debunking the Myths - Pentagon - Popular Mechanics

    Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition - Free Fall

    Something tells me you all haven't bothered to research the (thoroughly documented) debunking side nearly as thoroughly as you have the conspiracy theory side..

    And to clarify by "dismissed" I don't mean that every scientist has written extensively on why they don't believe the conspiracy, but that the overwhelming majority don't take the specific claims seriously including those in relevant fields of expertise. This despite the fact that they would stand to gain a lot more financially by writing a book with conspiracy theories.

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