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    Then I will NOT mention the missing 9,000 NAZI subs and over 1/4 million troops who set sail for New Schwabeland in the antartic --NOR the fact the entire world sent an expedition ( with Byrd in the lead) and came back ''empty handed'' -otherwise defeated...
    You know, I think I would rather be a man than a god . We don't need anyone to believe in us. We just keep going anyhow. It's what we do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r.payton@att.net View Post
    Just the insider trading AND the fact Wm. Cooper stated that this would happen and the change in intercept orders .
    Those aren't leaks of a conspiracy, and Cooper simply warned that there would be a major terrorist attack on US soil blamed on Osama bin Laden - it is common knowledge that the government had information that there was a serious attack impending. You could argue that blaming it on OBL for convenient reasons when the actual terrorists responsible either aren't known or wouldn't function to serve their agenda as much - but that would just show that the US used the 9/11 disaster to pursue its own interests which, again, is not evidence of a cover up, it's common knowledge. The insider trading is an interesting theory but it hardly qualifies as placing into question government involvement in the attack which is essentially what both of you have implied. Isn't a common theory that Osama bin Laden was behind much of the trading? As for the changed intercept orders, the hijackers disabled the onboard radar transponders which makes it extremely difficult to locate and intercept a plane behaving erratically. Also, in the decade prior to 9/11 only one civilian plane was intercepted which took 1 hour and 22 minutes. So you can still believe that the story behind intercept orders is murky, but it's extremely far from being evidence to support the case that the government was involved and that's not a leak so I'm not sure why you responded with those examples.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quinn14 View Post
    The towers were knocked down because two commercial airplanes filled with fuel and being flown by nuts crashed into them. I am not a truther or birther and I think Oswald shot Kennedy. Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction. IMO.
    It is not physically possible for Jet Fuel to reach temperatures high enough to not only melt the support beams BUT it is impossible as well for that same jet fuel to melt metal at the bottom of the buildings, which was discovered as well.

    In addition, there was also UN-exploded THERMOMITE discovered on site. Plus you have the fact that all 3 buildings went into FREE fall which is NOT possible unless there had demolitions assistance. Many people who came of of the buildings said that they heard LOUD explosions & were knocked around BEFORE the building s fell. Also the buildings were DESIGNED to withstand airplanes flying into them.

    9/11 was a FALSE FLAG OP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leglace View Post
    Has anyone watched how much live footage there was on people saying that there were explosions on the 10th and 13th floor well before the building collapsed. If it was due to a pancake theory, how does a fire travel almost 100 stories downward without smoke from the center of the building and start exploding elevators etc... Fireman are experts on the effects of a fire in relation to mechanical equip, and appliances. They can't figure it out. The other thing is that they have footage of small explsions busting out the side of the bldg before the collapses. Its hard to explain them.

    Then you have the pancake theory. If the steel columns got so hot that it separated from the floors, why didnct we see any steel sticking up? This is a curtain wall building frame. And wouldn't we have seen a huge pile of concrete piled up on one another at the bottom as it fell freefall. And why did they ship off the steel immediately to overseas before any investigation was made? Isn't that suspicious.

    Then you have the pentagon that has more cameras than any building you can imagine. There are photos of the positioning of all the cameras in place and the best they have is one video with frames removed from it? How did the media not jump all over that?

    Well the why for everything is the only hard part. Thats why I question the Bilderberg part.

    Before somebody calls me a sudden building expert because I watched some videos, please note that I am an architect and work a lot with concrete and steel designs. I am no expert. But I am not a dummy when it come to "Why buildings stand up" and "why buildings fall down", both of which were books required for my studies.
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    Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe
    Niels H. Harrit, Jeffrey Farrer, Steven E. Jones Kevin R. Ryan, Frank M. Legge, Daniel Farnsworth, Gregg Roberts, James R. Gourley and Bradley R. Larsen Pp 7-31

    We have discovered distinctive red/gray chips in all the samples we have studied of the dust produced by the destruction of the World Trade Center. Examination of four of these samples, collected from separate sites, is reported in this paper. These red/gray chips show marked similarities in all four samples. One sample was collected by a Manhattan resident about ten minutes after the collapse of the second WTC Tower, two the next day, and a fourth about a week later. The properties of these chips were analyzed using optical microscopy, scanning electron microscopy (SEM), X-ray energy dispersive spectroscopy (XEDS), and differential scanning calorimetry (DSC).

    The red material contains grains approximately 100 nm across which are largely iron oxide, while aluminum is contained in tiny plate-like structures. Separation of components using methyl ethyl ketone demonstrated that elemental aluminum is present. The iron oxide and aluminum are intimately mixed in the red material. When ignited in a DSC device the chips exhibit large but narrow exotherms occurring at approximately 430 ?C, far below the normal ignition temperature for conventional thermite. Numerous iron-rich spheres are clearly observed in the residue following the ignition of these peculiar red/gray chips. The red portion of these chips is found to be an unreacted thermitic material and highly energetic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bwh27 View Post
    9/11 conspiracy? Really? Are other TWT posters truthers?

    I think Noam Chomsky addresses this effectively - YouTube - ‪Chomsky dispels 9/11 conspiracies with sheer logic‬‏
    Noam Chomsky is a just NWO promoter.

    He downplays the CFR & Trilateral Commission & never mentions the FED in any of his treatises.

    He praises on guys like Bertrand Russell who helped instigate the NWO.

    Chomsky has been a big Rockefeller supporter & the also in the UN. Feb 04 he an Award from the UN Correspondents Club. The list goes on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r.payton@att.net View Post
    The Bilderbergers are so secret they are named after the Hotel they first held their meetings in.These are THE most powerful people on the planet.Thet are private yet the guards have orders to kill if you try to enter-not detain -kill.
    Where was any wreckage at the Pentagon ? a 727/747 wrecks-it leaves a ton of debry.Was building 7 even hit ?
    I am just starting Jesse Ventura's new book-63 files the Govt. does NOT want you to read .In 1961 a plan to invade Cuba using the REMEMBER THE MAINE theme suggests AMERICA hijack planes and crash them into buildings and blame the Cubans ? sound familiar ? Also has the CIA protocol for assasinations.
    What I don't understand is the government has conducted covert testing on innocent civilians-i.e.-the Tuskegee Air men. WW II was started based upon a ploy by FDR-Nam was started on a lie-the Gulf of tonken-Iraq on a lie-so WHY should we believe a word out of the white house ? 911 eradicated most of our rights and Wikileaks will take the rest(or rather the reaction to Wikileaks) as govt. folk are trying to arrest anyone who prints the leaks-there goes #1-freedom of the press.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flop The Nuts View Post
    Damn, leglace, you seem to be going to the dark side. Just because a bunch of whack jobs can piece together a one in a million chance of a conspiracy doesn't mean that it happened. You used to have a pretty straight head, don't grab onto a load of shiite. The internet is great for two things - conspiracy theories and porn. Choose porn.
    What the MSM are passing off as the "truth" is more PORNOGRAPHIC then anything else on the web. People died to line other peoples pockets & expand the empire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kr1963 View Post
    Noam Chomsky is a just NWO promoter.

    He downplays the CFR & Trilateral Commission & never mentions the FED in any of his treatises.

    He praises on guys like Bertrand Russell who helped instigate the NWO.

    Chomsky has been a big Rockefeller supporter & the also in the UN. Feb 04 he an Award from the UN Correspondents Club. The list goes on.
    So you're dismissing the analysis of Noam Chomsky outright because he's too aligned with the New World Order, in other words not anti-establishment enough? It's convenient how you don't respond to his actual points and instead go after his credibility. All of those examples are really reaching for straws, if that's the standard for not being credible enough to pay attention to despite being the most cited intellectual ever then it would be a cinch to discredit any prolific writer/intellectual that you come up with. Accepting an award from the UN Correspondents Club means we shouldn't listen to his points?! And it's false that he never mentions the FED. As the legendary lyricist Ras Kass once put it "your favorite rapper is a Ras Kass fan" which no doubt applies to whichever 100% anti-establishment conspiracy theorist has influenced your thinking - I'm sure the vast majority of them have great esteem for Chomsky's work.

    I think it's a serious disservice to the pressing issues that Chomsky has done so much to bring attention to such as the Israeli occupation, American foreign policy in Latin America, etc by instead focusing on conspiracy theories such as NWO that rely on conjecture more than evidence. You could be spending your time and energy dealing with something concrete that we can actively affect and has been thoroughly documented, instead you dismiss the words of a man that has done far more bringing awareness to atrocities all over the world than you or any other conspiracy theorist. KR, you're a good guy but I just don't get it. I subscribe to the same question everything philosophy as you, but it's apparently blinding you to actually making a difference if you think it makes sense to dismiss Noam Chomsky. Anyway, that's my two cents, sorry if it comes off as overly-personal, I still respect you.
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