Bilderberg Group

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Originally Posted by kr1963

And I suppose if you caught your wife in bed, naked with another man & she jumped up & said "This isn't what it seems! Who you are gonna believe? Your own eyes or ME?" You'd say....???

All I am saying is look at the visual evidence. Inductive reasoning can come up with a multitude of causes (scenarios) for that effect (result)...

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Oh please. Discussing the merits of the evidence is fine, but the implication of your message is that your side of things is obvious/inarguable and that's ridiculous. Every single video or link that supports the conspiracy theory for 9/11 you automatically gulp up and every counter-argument you find a way to dismiss in whatever roundabout way. It's okay that you're a conspiracy theorist, but can you at least be honest with yourself? Skepticism is a good thing, but you infer way too absolutely on an issue that has evidence in both directions, and you refuse to consider the implausibility of hiding such a dramatic conspiracy (instead you provide examples of deception like Iraq WMD's that everyone is aware of and thus does not qualify as a remotely comparable example).

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Originally Posted by bwh27

Oh please. Discussing the merits of the evidence is fine, but the implication of your message is that your side of things is obvious/inarguable and that's ridiculous. Every single video or link that supports the conspiracy theory for 9/11 you automatically gulp up and every counter-argument you find a way to dismiss in whatever roundabout way. It's okay that you're a conspiracy theorist, but can you at least be honest with yourself? Skepticism is a good thing, but you infer way too absolutely on an issue that has evidence in both directions, and you refuse to consider the implausibility of hiding such a dramatic conspiracy (instead you provide examples of deception like Iraq WMD's that everyone is aware of and thus does not qualify as a remotely comparable example).

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Absolutley incorrect. No such implications. All I am saying is look at the evidence come up with your own conclusions. Don't put words in my mouth. I suggest using inductive reasoning b/c that actually clears the way of pre-conceived notions & allows the observed to look at real time cause & effect. You really have no idea what I believe or what I know.

Btw skepticism in my book stems from folks who 1) Doubt their own reality so much that all they can do is get others to doubt themselves & 2) Really have an agenda to hide the truth. There is EVIL on this planet. You can believe what they tell you & sit back & watch OR you can figure out for yourself & then go DO something about it.

If you buy the evil they are selling you I guarantee you one thing: This war will never end. There will always be a new bogey-man. Next it will be Pakistan & then Iran & then China & along the way Cyber-terrorists. And all with the idea that we need to create NEW laws & technology to protect us. And one day, unless we stop it, this place will be a "safe" place for all the people who did what they were told. I will be long gone by then. And all the freedoms will be gone & NO ONE WILL NOTICE b/c it was all justified & happened so gradually. Like a fish in the shadows of a cage, people will never leave the box.

And ultimately it really comes down to the philosophical question of what is reality? There are other senses besides the 5 your body has. If you can use them you will be ahead of the game. If not you will be very happy with exactly what you have been spoon-fed.

The term conspiracy theory is actually just a derogatory term. On the other side of the coin, most people in my shoes would consider themselves only people looking for the truth. And then the world who oppose that are either asleep or the ones who don't want anyone to wake up. I have found that ones who get the most upset about it are the ones who are really most upset that they continue to hide the truth from themselves. What they don't realize is that most of the people you call CT are really just trying to help you WAKE UP before it is too late. Instead of attacking us you should be thanking us.

You really have no idea what I believe or what I know either. I would rather spend my time invested in the countless cases of thoroughly documented evils (eg Israeli occupation, Darfur, etc), not in conjecture that has been repeatedly debunked. I'm extremely critical of US foreign policy and do not buy anything that they say - it's independently apparent to me that 9/11 being a grand conspiracy involving the US Gov't is completely implausible. People like you spend more time focusing on this theoretical stuff than the easily identifiable atrocities happening all over the world. I have no interest in suppressing this discussion, so have at it, but there are plenty of awful things happening that don't get discussed whereas we have millions of Americans theorizing about a 9/11 conspiracy without much substance. What exactly should I thank you for?

I have read information from sites said to dubunk the 9/11 conspiracy item by item. However, I found the debunking to be flawed on every count. I will post the site when I find it. Anyhow, if we could conclude that there is a good possibility and in some cases a probability that something is being covered up by the government concerning 9/11, then we can conclude that the same probability stands for their involvement as either bystander or orchestrator.

Now if this is the case, I believe the motive for it can be greater than any atrocity you mentioned.

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Originally Posted by bwh27

You really have no idea what I believe or what I know either. I would rather spend my time invested in the countless cases of thoroughly documented evils (eg Israeli occupation, Darfur, etc), not in conjecture that has been repeatedly debunked. I'm extremely critical of US foreign policy and do not buy anything that they say - it's independently apparent to me that 9/11 being a grand conspiracy involving the US Gov't is completely implausible. People like you spend more time focusing on this theoretical stuff than the easily identifiable atrocities happening all over the world. I have no interest in suppressing this discussion, so have at it, but there are plenty of awful things happening that don't get discussed whereas we have millions of Americans theorizing about a 9/11 conspiracy without much substance. What exactly should I thank you for?

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I didn't put words in your mouth as you tried to do to me. You state what you believe very apparently.

Theory? There is so much HARD evidence it's ridiculous.

If you read my thread called the 1000th post you can see I have spent a lot of time fighting & investigating other things. There are quiet a few things I have first hand experience upon.

As far as the thanks goes re-read the previous post. You try to call people CTs as a derog. I could certainly say you are among the "Sheeple" who chose to stay asleep as the opposite end of that argument or derogatory insult.

I bought a copy of behold a pale horse. I read half the book in 2 days. Its a great read. Rather deep to digest in a short time, but vry interesting if nothing elese. The whole bit about HR 4079 being passed, allowing for FEMA to take over with a suspended constitution in place was disturbing. There is no direction on how to put the constitution back in place either. We really need to get more involved with our government.

The constitution has been shredded. Here was a man who TOLD everyone secrets which later turned into truths and yet he was gunned down like a dog. Seemingly innocous bills are/were passed that led to more power to the few and none to the rest. Have you reached the part about Alaskan Mental Health Care ? How is this any different from Stalin's gulags or MAO's re-education camps ?

Holy cow, I can't get over "Protocols of the wise men of Zion". This was supposedly written between late 1700's and early 1800's. Everything they planned is happening today. This was a playbook made by the elitists of Zion. Including our debt limit issues of today. They bragged about how the goyim people (us, the cattle) will be enslaved to them through debt that they will lure us into because goyim's are so greedy and stupid. It is so prophetic, yet predictable of us cattle to allow this. They planned the federal reserve/ world bank concept back then. They talk like they are so above us, those elitist bastards. Keep in mind, this book was written in 1990.

And then to read the story of Jonathan May, a guy who followed all the rules to create a bank backed up by gold and silver acquired by himself and his partners. All his notes were properly backed, and because he circumvented the indebtedness to the federal reserve, they gave him a bogus tribunal and dismissed all his evidence that his money was properly backed. He was sent to jail for 10 yrs because our present constitution (of 1990) failed him. His biggest regret was having faith in our constitution.

These things bother me. We may need a revolution.

(I have a Queensryche song in my head right now, "Revolution calling".) :walkman:

I recommend everybody buys a copy of Behold a Pale Horse. You don't have to believe everything, but he states facts backed up by documentation and confirmation by many insiders. A lot of what has happened while we have been asleep.

Makes me really appreciate guys like Ron Paul who want take the constitution back to how it was intended. We have raped it.

Did you know that we allowed Article VI of our constitution to give the treaties we have with the UN to supercede the constitution? In other words, the laws of the UN prevail beyond our very own sovereignty. We are practically already in a New World Order today.

Sounds like the protocol of the wise men of Zion may have been a fraud created by the Soviet union to instill anti-semitism. I will fact check this more.

Edit: deleted link. This is not substantiated, and very controversial.