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    Hi Quinn,

    I wasn't trying to make or break KR's (or your) point. People should stand up and hold the government accountable if it moves in directions counter to their interests.

    My point, albeit poorly made, is the sudden, over-the-top, Chicken Little type reaction over an ordinance that has, in large part, been around for years and is hardly in crisis mode.

    It's wholly irrelevant to me if I agree or disagree with a position held by another group of people as I fully support intelligent and meaningful yet well-measured responses. Where I become amused and somewhat bristled is when I see what appears to be sudden disproportionate knee-jerk lugubrious reactions.
    Last edited by pm01; 06-17-2011 at 11:44 AM.

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    Like my reaction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pm01 View Post
    Hi Quinn,

    I wasn't trying to make or break KR's (or your) point. People should stand up and hold the government accountable if it moves in directions counter to their interests.

    My point, albeit poorly made, is the sudden, over-the-top, Chicken Little type reaction over an ordinance that has, in large part, been around for years and is hardly in crisis mode.

    It's wholly irrelevant to me if I agree or disagree with a position held by another group of people as I fully support intelligent and meaningful yet well-measured responses. Where I become amused and somewhat bristled is when I see what appears to be sudden disproportionate knee-jerk lugubrious reactions.
    I get what you're saying. But I think you are either more trustworthy or more naive than me or maybe I'm too cynical. We see on the news everyday police or politicians or firemen not acting in the best intrest of those they serve. Doesn't matter if it is the fireman who accidentally started a forest fire because he just wanted to get paid for one more run, or the cops who beat Rodney King or Charlie Rangle not paying his taxes. I wouldn't trust any of these guys with keys to my business or apartment.

    My friends and I do a lot of outdoorsy stuff. We all have a rule that we live by: Panic first! Figure it out later!

    Obviously that was intended to keep us from getting trampled by a moose in Alaska or eaten by a bear in the Smokies. But I like to apply it to everyday life. Although "Panic" could be changed to "be skeptical" when it comes to things like this. But, I truly believe in the overall idea.

    So the knee-jerk reactions, I think are valid. They keep you from things like being robbed by a fireman who just go laid off but has a copy of the lock-box key or something to that effect. I in no way think that all public servants are bad people, but some are. And I would rather give my key to someone I trust, if I'm on vacation than have it in the hands of people I don't really know.

    BTW. Why are they even concerned with this? It all goes to the owners insurance anyway, so why don't they just protect themselves from litigation if a business refuses to give their keys instead of mandating the keys? That seems to make more sense to me.

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    I don't see myself as either overly trusting or naive at all. I'd like to think I'm more pragmatic than anything. But I understand why you might feel that way about me.

    Nonetheless, I'm fine with the FD (or PD) chopping their way into a structure and leaving the bill to the owner.

    What I really like is sensible, rational discussion (like this) rather than people running around waiving their hands over their head dodging imaginary pieces of falling sky. Panic and rash actions can be as destructive as burying one's head in the sand.

    And I also agree with your thought that citizens need try to be more personally involved with their local government so muni codes like these are not passed or at least vigorously objected---like what is happening in CF right now.

    Anyhow, nice talking with you and have a nice weekend!

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    Quote Originally Posted by r.payton@att.net View Post
    I'm not a big fan of this either-had it NOT been for the leak of the Pentagon Papers NO change would have occured in 'Nam.
    I think you meant to post this under another topic, but since you posted here I thought I'd share a piece of trivia about the pentagon papers. During the Pentagon Papers saga Ellsberg was a victim of a residential burglary. A common small town prolific thief had stolen pieces of Ellsberg's property including the briefcase where he was storing the papers. A short time later the local police identified the unwitting burglar and retrieved the briefcase from a garage in a small community north of SF. The Times, Ellsberg, and the US Attorney's office began a power play to rcv the papers. The US Attorney's Office was applying heavy pressure to have the papers returned to them. The small town chief of police refused to release the papers to anyone without a court order. He locked the papers in a city vault and posted cops around it saying noone--not even the federal government--was to rcv the papers without a court order. A day or so later a federal judge order them returned to the to the US. A representative from the US Attorney's office arrived the following day.

    The whole story of the theft, recovery, and return of the Papers is worthy of a short book.

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    There's your daily allotment of useless information for today, Saturday June 18.

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