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    4th Amendment Protest Could Attract Hundreds

    Group Angered By Supreme Court Decision Regarding Illegal Entry


    POSTED: 9:38 am EDT May 25, 2011
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    INDIANAPOLIS -- Hundreds of people could attend an Indiana Statehouse rally to protest a state Supreme Court ruling that residents don't have the right to resist police officers who illegally enter their homes.
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    Do you have a link to the entire story? The ruling sounds ridiculous.

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    www.indystar.com-
    according to the article this ruling is just putting us in line with surrounding states .
    Opponents of Supreme Court ruling plan rally today

    The gist of the story is the Judges say people should let the police in for whatever reason (legal or not ) then take the case to civil court.
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    Thanks for the link. This is sad. I can promise you that if anyone tries to get in my house without me letting them (or a warrant) they won't be happy. George Orwell, anyone?

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    Back in the 90's a friend of mine -Fred Sanders -a Catholic School Teacher-had the police called on him for his dogs barking . The police showed up and tried to push theirway into Fred's house-they actually knocked him down. He got up and went to his room and got his 12 guage and since the policemen had their guns out too he fired -killing one .
    He was found NOT GUILTY and won 5 Million in a civil suit but the judge over ruled the civil jurors and awarded him $50,000 (which barely covered his hospital bills) as the police beat him beyond recognition and is now in protective custody.
    Fred was a Civics teacher .
    This type thing has happened in Indianapolis so often that if the city awarded all the monies the jurys awarded we'd be broke-so now we are supposed to bend over and take it from the people who are our protectors ?? Let anyone ransack your home then sue them ? I hope this tornadoe hits my house .
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    Wow! Truly sad. I don't think anyone, including cops, would want that to happen to them. I can't believe a Supreme Court of any kind would allow it. But that's what happens when citizens say they don't care about politics. Sooner or later, this stuff happens. All people have to do is inform themselves and get involved. But it my be too late.

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    So what am I missing from the story that indicates the police did something wrong?

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    By reading the linked article one could easily conclude the cops had exigent circumstances to enter. However to actually understand the issues in this "narrow" case you will have to read the actual decision. Having done so I still agree with the majority ruling.

    http://www.in.gov/judiciary/opinions...5121101shd.pdf

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    I read your link, but disagree. Yes, they have to follow up on a 911 call and they did. Why do you think they should have entered the house? They could clearly see that no one was hurt and the chick even told the guy to come get the rest of his stuff. If she thought she was in danger, why would she even suggest that and why not run to the cops for safety? I can see both sides of this, but you have to realize that the link you provided was written by cops or lawyers. They made it sound like the cops were all calm and not yelling. When Barnes said that if he got arrested for domestic violence that the cop would be in the cell next to him, I'll bet he was referring to the fact that the cops were yelling and causing a comotion, too.

    I usually side with cops, but this just sounds like a couple of cops were having a boring night and decided to push their legal limits. If anything, the girl should have been charged with making a false 911 call.

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