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    Default Re: Gorbechov decries rises of Stalinism in Russia

    Don't they teach you how to read Jensen?

    His business dealings, which continued until his company's assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act, has led more than 60 years later to a civil action for damages being brought in Germany against the Bush family by two former slave labourers at Auschwitz and to a hum of pre-election controversy.

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    This is entirely less substantial than the Soviets supplying the Nazis with grain, and raw materials while they were rampaging through Europe.

    Thankfully the British were strong enough to stand alone against the Nazis, and to save Europe.

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    Default Re: Gorbechov decries rises of Stalinism in Russia

    Hitler's military numbered 5 million men. 3.5 million died in Soviet Union. Make your own conclusions.

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    Without America we all know the war would have went to the Germans. Even if Russia held out by destroying their entire country so the Nazis could not have it they would only have had Russia and Germany would have controlled all of Europe and eventually taken Russia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UGLY View Post
    Without America we all know the war would have went to the Germans. Even if Russia held out by destroying their entire country so the Nazis could not have it they would only have had Russia and Germany would have controlled all of Europe and eventually taken Russia.
    All America did was make the war a little shorter and a little less painfull on Soviet Union. Russia was virtually unconquerable. No other people will die for their country by the millions. That was the difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JensenS View Post
    You say Gorbachev was bad? Why? I personally don't think he did the best job, but its not his fault that Russia is in the sorry state they're in today. I'd personally lay that at the feet of Yeltsin and his oligarchs. After the country forced Gorbachev out in 91 they were at a crossroads, and they went the wrong way.

    Putin has done some things, and he's done at least in my opinion some not so good things. With the life expectancy for men currently in the 50's, and the population currently declining he's got a lot more work to do. Re embracing the murderous ways of Stalin isn't going to get it done.
    To be honest with you Big, I'm really not interested in arguing about who suffered more during World War 2, or who helped Hitler more, we've done this argument plenty of times anyway. The only reason I did it earlier this evening was because I like riling you up every once in a while.

    This thread is about Gorbachev, a person who I consider myself at least moderately knowledgeable about. I asked you a few questions in this post, that I am legitimately curious to here your answers for, and maybe continue to discuss with you.
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    Default Re: Gorbechov decries rises of Stalinism in Russia

    I'm sorry I misspelled his name (Gorbachev).

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    Gorbachev killed the feeling of living in a communist country. He made people feel like they are on their own. He had no reasonable plan. Speak all you want. Make products however you want. Pay your workers however you want. All voices are welcome. No rules. No procedures. No standards.

    Heck, people were coming to supermarkets and yelling there will be no sugar for months starting next week. Everyone would buy loads of sugar and clean the stores. Everyone had plenty of sugar but people kept buying like crazy. This is one little example of pure propaganda. I would not be surprised if those people were Western agents or simply saboteurs.

    Gorbachev’s policies reduced production to make products eventually start disappearing from stores because factories could not all of a sudden operate without government subsidies.

    Gorbachev got friendly with the West and they paid him off in the end. He spent a decade traveling in Europe making millions for his Green peace program and telling people how he brought freedom to Russia while people lost their jobs and suffered. He is a criminal and belongs in jail.

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    What happened to the subsidies?

    Why did they run out?

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