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    Quote Originally Posted by Zapp Brannigan View Post
    I'm not ashamed of my reaction. I acknowledge that he needed to die, both for his actions and the many more he would have ordered dead. I just don't take any joy in it. Like I said, I'm relieved. I'm from New York. I had a lot of family that I couldn't contact for hours on end. I just don't take joy in anybody's death. That's something Bin Laden and his ilk did. I like to think I, and others, are better than them. Isn't the goal NOT to be like them? He was an evil man who needed to die. But it doesn't make me happy that this was so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kr1963 View Post
    Celebrating death is never the right choice...
    One man down, thousands spared. Reason enough to celebrate. I can't stress enough how dumb you are kr.

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    Bin Laden was no fool. I'd expect he would have laid the ground work and contingencies. The intellectual structure of his organization is still intact and still very much a threat.

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    Wow, you are seriously confused on this particular topic. The Perkins book you have cited twice now is a good thing for people to read, but it hardly qualifies as evidence against Bin Laden's involvement in crimes he has repeatedly taken credit for. Yes, the US foreign policy is far from perfect and is responsible for some atrocious things, but again that has no bearing on Osama's guilt which has been determined by every other independent country and media source who has looked into it.

    So, Orwell has an evil character who is a scapegoat thus the most murderous man in history Hitler was a scapegoat and can't have been guilty just because some US corporations had economic ties to the early Nazi party... talk about a leap in logic!!! Osama was not a former CIA operative, he was provided weapons by the CIA and given minimal training just like every other Mujahadeen to fight against the Soviet and Afghan government's troops. No one is claiming that the United States isn't largely responsible (along with the Soviet Union) for providing weapons in that region and doing some terrible things there that we haven't been held accountable for, but what in God's name does that have to do with Bin Laden's guilt for having killed thousands upon thousands of people? No one, not Hamas, not the Taliban, not the most corrupt government in the world denies that Al Qaeda is responsible for American deaths (as well as Namibian/Kenyan/etc deaths). 1984 is a phenomenal book, but the media has not sheltered us so completely that we're incapable of seeking other sources of information. Read news media from outside this country, they're frequently much more objective, but none of them imply what you are doing, that Osama (let alone Hitler!!!!) was a scapegoat.

    As for Hussein's role in 9/11, again you're failing to address my point which is that Hussein is a red-herring, Bin Laden is the one who was indisputably involved. The idea that the media blames Hussein along with Osama for 9/11 is 8 years outdated on your part, can you cite a recent media report (say the last four years?) that claims a connection between Saddam and 9/11? No, you cannot, because it became abundantly clear as many American media sources and academics and politicians had originally suspected that the Bush Administration was less than honest with that implied connection. Your idea that Osama Bin Laden had nothing to do with 9/11 is pure conjecture and not supported by anyone with credibility or evidence, including the example you're citing "Confessions of an Economic Hitman." Again, a fine book, but it doesn't support your wild inferences.

    As for you not being alone, did you even bother reading the facebook group you've cited? It has an interesting perspective that the United States needs to be careful about this pure jubilation over Bin Laden's death when that's exactly the hatred and violence that Osama sought to increase - but it does not even remotely imply that he was a scapegoat or someone who should not have been eliminated.
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    I dont know why anyone would argue against the killing of Osama. As BWH pointed out Osama was guilty by his own admission, what due process comes with that. He is not protected by the Geneva convention nor would he want to be. I think the only logical argument against killing him is that he is now a martyr, we almost gave him what he wanted. Sure he saw himself as a freedom fighter but who freedom was he fighting for, certainly not muslims considering he killed more of them than he did Americans. There are people in history that just deserved to perish by whatever means plausible, Osama was one of them. He killed women and children, the mob wont even go after women and children. He killed people based on a skewed version of a faith, much like the Klan did. He murdered people in the same sense that Hitler did. I take joy and comfort in the fact that he will never do it again. I would have taken joy in the death of Hitler, Napoleon or Nero. It is not that we celebrate death or killing but we celebrate justice and the freedom from having to live in fear of a person. We have to always send the message that attacking America will result in catastrophic action against whoever committed the crime and those who support those people. If it takes water boarding in order to obtain the information then so be it. If killing Osama saved my son or daughters life or anyone of your sons or daughters then it is worth it, we lost 3,000 plus sons and daughters and that is to many, not to mention the military men and women.

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    This is allegedly a photo of the White House staff watching the attack go down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zapp Brannigan View Post
    This is allegedly a photo of the White House staff watching the attack go down.

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    No, that's the photo of them watching the royal wedding. IF you look hard you can see Michelle binge drinking in the back over the fact that they got snubbed.

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    I hope you're not being serious r.payton, but in case you are...

    Noam Chomsky on 9/11 Conspiracy
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    Saw a great quote attributed to Martin Luther King, Jr. who shockingly put it much more eloquently than I could ever dream.

    "I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that."
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