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    "they are primarily concerned with winning the election rather than telling the unvarnished truth."

    You notice that the one guy who seems to telling the truth is Panetta.

    Speaking of Panetta, I read this morning that the operation was run real time through his desk. So, I was right!

    This is significant, because my gut speculation is that a similar operation in the previous administration would have been run through a Pentagon desk, with neocons looking over the shoulder. I also don't think post-site contingencies would have been as nearly as carefully prepared/planned for and that a certain amount of sheer arrogance coming from certain leadership quarters would have fouled up the works to one extent or another before all was said and done.
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    I would be OK with someone leaking the photo. But I agree with Obama's reasoning that there is no need for an official US government release of the photo.
    I respectfully disagree with your first statement. I don't think it's okay for anyone to leak anything, unless it's a whistle blower situation. People may not agree with his decision to keep the pic sealed, but they should respect it as he is our President. I'm sure that someday, after al qaeda is no longer in operation we will release the picture for its historical value. I am okay with waiting if it saves lives. Personally, I would love to see a pic of osama with a hole in his head but I can wait.
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    I always appreciate Jon's humor...always irreverent.

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    I'm just a conflicted pacifist sorting through the vitriol of this thread.
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    Could be he's now taking some international heat for the military action in a non-military event. The rumblings that the action was illegal are starting to churn including the International Red Cross which is closely aligned with the UN.

    Quite frankly, this is his one decision I am in total agreement with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kr1963 View Post
    I find it interesting that SOME PEOPLE do not deserve DUE PROCESS only death by media conviction. Pray that one day it doesn't happen to you or someone you love. If he was responsible for 9/11 he should have been brought to trial in the USA. Or tried for War Crimes in another country. And NOW his body has been dumped at sea. How convenient...
    It will!! Read the book of Revelation in the Holy Bible.

    I agree with a lot of what you said surprisingly. Usually we are polar opposites. The only thing I disagree with is the SCAPEGOAT. He took credit for both attacks on Al-Jazerra TV. It is a shame that 9/11 had to happen. Clinton should have taken him years ago when Syria offered him up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zapp Brannigan View Post
    Saw a great quote attributed to Martin Luther King, Jr. who shockingly put it much more eloquently than I could ever dream.
    "I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Herkey#1 View Post
    I am okay with waiting if it saves lives. Personally, I would love to see a pic of osama with a hole in his head but I can wait.
    I don't know who's life it will save. When I read people saying that we should "act better than them", do you REALLY think that people who already hate us are suddenly going to say "Whelp, they did kill our leader, but they acted better than us, so now I am not going to seek retribution."?

    I think some of you are acting under the assumption that these people haven't been brainwashed for their entire lives. They hate us because we are "infidels". That's it. They have been told to hate us since they were young. They don't have access to information that we do. Al Jezeera tells them how to think and whackos tell al jezeera what to say.

    They are going to continue to hate us and plan attacks whether that photo is shown or not. So they may as well show the damn thing and spike the freakin' football!

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    I don't know who's life it will save. When I read people saying that we should "act better than them", do you REALLY think that people who already hate us are suddenly going to say "Whelp, they did kill our leader, but they acted better than us, so now I am not going to seek retribution."?

    Posting imagery of him being dead would undoubtedly upset people more than not seeing it. Its the same reason they televised beheadings - because the visual is emotionally damaging to people much more so than just the news of it happening.

    On top of that, "acting better" shouldn't be done to prevent retribution or out of fear. It should be done because it is the right way to behave.

    I think some of you are acting under the assumption that these people haven't been brainwashed for their entire lives. They hate us because we are "infidels". That's it. They have been told to hate us since they were young. They don't have access to information that we do. Al Jezeera tells them how to think and whackos tell al jezeera what to say.

    You're focusing on a select group of people that hate us and seeing their leader with bullet holes in his head would make them hate us more.... Not sure what information we have access to that they don't?

    Additionally, there are a lot of people who don't hate us that would possibly be offended by the release of images of this nature - especially when it isn't common practice to do so.

    They are going to continue to hate us and plan attacks whether that photo is shown or not. So they may as well show the damn thing and spike the freakin' football!

    Why? How does it benefit anyone to see a picture of the guy with bullet holes in his face? We know he's dead, they know he's dead.

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