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    http://www.wtae.com/news/27496779/detail.html




    I know you guys love to discuss this kind of stuff.

    What do you see?

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    Just proves my adage-better to carry a pistol than lift weights !!
    You know, I think I would rather be a man than a god . We don't need anyone to believe in us. We just keep going anyhow. It's what we do.

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    I just viewed that a second time. When the cop speaks to him - he says "Nooo!" That's when he gets clipped the first time. Watch closely at that point - look how the cop "drags" the blow on the collar bone. He is trying to inflict a little hurt - but not putting everything into it. The following blows are the same - glancing, "pulled" shots. I'll tell you what - if he had been at my facility, he would have learned an important lesson about the time he made a grab for the baton.

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    I didn't see anything out-of-line. The guy took a couple of swings at somebody. The cop said something to him (I am going to assume it was turn around, put your hands behind your back, knuckle-to-knuckle, etc.) He didn't comply. The cop hit him a couple of "compliance blows" - which are within normal use-of-force - shots to create some pain in the recipient and encourage compliance with instructions. He was slow going down to his belly - he got a couple more shots. Once he went to the ground and became compliant, there was nothing more done. Perfectly routine. Certainly nothing in the video to indicate any brutality. Unless you want to defend that ANY use of force by the police constitutes brutality.

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    M Richardson,
    When we began to converse on this forum I mentioned I had respect for quite a few prison guards-also , quite a few I'd like to put through a wall . Then I asked you if you would get into trouble for ''talking '' to an ex-con ..you replied -''I have already alerted my superiors that I speak with you ..''I would have preferred you said ''HEY SCUMBAG'' you are a POS ex-con and I cannot talk to you ''-but that was long ago and easily forgotten !
    However, WHERE do you see ANY prison bars in this picture ?? I see a paying consumer getting thrown out by a guy too light in the ass to throw him out so he calls out the DOGS who respond with violence-NO one has that right !! You hear the TASERS charging long before you see a rent a pig come into the picture-the only violence performed by the rather large gentleman was a shot to the ushers chest-then come the ''love taps''or ''compliance blows'' although a baton to the throat does not qualify as a compliance blow in my book , (and I have been on the receiving end , several times ).
    I have nothing ever to say to you so I'll place you on ignore and you can go back to riding herd on Humans while saving Greyhounds ?
    You know, I think I would rather be a man than a god . We don't need anyone to believe in us. We just keep going anyhow. It's what we do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r.payton@att.net View Post
    M Richardson,
    When we began to converse on this forum I mentioned I had respect for quite a few prison guards-also , quite a few I'd like to put through a wall . Then I asked you if you would get into trouble for ''talking '' to an ex-con ..you replied -''I have already alerted my superiors that I speak with you ..''I would have preferred you said ''HEY SCUMBAG'' you are a POS ex-con and I cannot talk to you ''-but that was long ago and easily forgotten !
    However, WHERE do you see ANY prison bars in this picture ?? I see a paying consumer getting thrown out by a guy too light in the ass to throw him out so he calls out the DOGS who respond with violence-NO one has that right !! You hear the TASERS charging long before you see a rent a pig come into the picture-the only violence performed by the rather large gentleman was a shot to the ushers chest-then come the ''love taps''or ''compliance blows'' although a baton to the throat does not qualify as a compliance blow in my book , (and I have been on the receiving end , several times ).
    I have nothing ever to say to you so I'll place you on ignore and you can go back to riding herd on Humans while saving Greyhounds ?
    Russ - Looks like I upset you, and for that I apologize. That certainly was not my intent. You have never made any secret of your prison background - and that background obviously gives us very different world views. I do believe that in all of our conversations here I have treated you with respect. In the private message you have referenced, I told you that I am required by policy to inform my superiors of ANY contact that I have with an ex-prisoner - or current one. I did you the courtesy of letting you know that I had done so. I also had informed them that I had offered you a place to stay if you needed to come out to California - a need that you, at that time, had indicated. I don't open my home to those that I view a a POS, whatever their legal status.
    In any confrontation between peace officers and those who are disturbing the peace, I have one ultimate position. I want to see all of the peace officers go home, safe and un-injured. That precludes anything resembling a "fair fight". When a drunk resists, you "call out the dogs" - irregardless of how "light in the ass" that might make a responder look. The idea isn't to look good in the eyes of bystanders - it is to subdue - quickly - a drunk and disorderly individual with no harm coming to the responders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M Richardson View Post
    Russ - Looks like I upset you, and for that I apologize. That certainly was not my intent. You have never made any secret of your prison background - and that background obviously gives us very different world views. I do believe that in all of our conversations here I have treated you with respect. In the private message you have referenced, I told you that I am required by policy to inform my superiors of ANY contact that I have with an ex-prisoner - or current one. I did you the courtesy of letting you know that I had done so. I also had informed them that I had offered you a place to stay if you needed to come out to California - a need that you, at that time, had indicated. I don't open my home to those that I view a a POS, whatever their legal status.
    In any confrontation between peace officers and those who are disturbing the peace, I have one ultimate position. I want to see all of the peace officers go home, safe and un-injured. That precludes anything resembling a "fair fight". When a drunk resists, you "call out the dogs" - irregardless of how "light in the ass" that might make a responder look. The idea isn't to look good in the eyes of bystanders - it is to subdue - quickly - a drunk and disorderly individual with no harm coming to the responders.
    M R.,
    I apologize for getting ''riled up'' but I have been falsely imprisoned and was beaten so severely I now have one shoulder and am in Chronic Pain-if you look at my post ''65,000,000.00 need not apply'' you'll see there are 65 million ex-offenders who are being told they need never apply for a job .That includes me-I receive SSDI but cannot survive on less than $700 a month and have recently given a great deal of thought to dying -I will NEVER contribute to society again and I have come to realize I am NOTHING but a burden -I cannot not even do VOLUNTEER work . All because one policeman said he was going to make my life HELL-and he did-I went to prison with out an abstract of judgement !!
    Once upon a time I was a MAN-now I DO NOTHING every day ! And this will continue til the day I die.
    When I see an usher start an incident like this and force an incident where everyone loses I flash back to being tasered and beaten simply because I , quite literally, cannot place my hands behind my back. I have come to chained to a bed at least a dozen times-all because I was an advocate when I filed a writ of habeus corpus to get out of prison and tried to help others like me . I have tried so hard to make it in this world but can rarely find a reason to get out of bed-NOTHING will EVER change. I will be in pain ,ostrasized ,crippled and in a state of flux between anger and suicide forever .
    I truly apologize for lashing out but I have stared down the wrong end of a .10 guage and .40 calibers too many times to ever forget . Well, enough feeling sorry for myself.I sincerely hope you can find it in your heart to forgive me.
    Russ
    You know, I think I would rather be a man than a god . We don't need anyone to believe in us. We just keep going anyhow. It's what we do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r.payton@att.net View Post
    M Richardson,
    When we began to converse on this forum I mentioned I had respect for quite a few prison guards-also , quite a few I'd like to put through a wall . Then I asked you if you would get into trouble for ''talking '' to an ex-con ..you replied -''I have already alerted my superiors that I speak with you ..''I would have preferred you said ''HEY SCUMBAG'' you are a POS ex-con and I cannot talk to you ''-but that was long ago and easily forgotten !
    However, WHERE do you see ANY prison bars in this picture ?? I see a paying consumer getting thrown out by a guy too light in the ass to throw him out so he calls out the DOGS who respond with violence-NO one has that right !! You hear the TASERS charging long before you see a rent a pig come into the picture-the only violence performed by the rather large gentleman was a shot to the ushers chest-then come the ''love taps''or ''compliance blows'' although a baton to the throat does not qualify as a compliance blow in my book , (and I have been on the receiving end , several times ).
    I have nothing ever to say to you so I'll place you on ignore and you can go back to riding herd on Humans while saving Greyhounds ?
    R.Payton,

    The person was being ejected from the premises but escalated the situation by committing a battery on a by-stander and then further esculated the situation by first passively then actively resisting. The police officer who you described as 'too light in the ass' called 'out the dogs' and did so appropriately. I guess your saying this suggests it's your opinion is that the police must engage offenders in a 1:1 ratio. Well I have news for you they should never do except in your imagination. Cops must follow rules and law but fortunately for the dirt bags they don't, therefore cops rely on superior numbers. This reduces the likelihood of serious injury to police officers and reduces the additional burden on the tax payer if the cop is injured and goes on work comp. Furthermore it does helps reduces injury and sometimes additional charges on the dirtbag.

    Whether we're talking cops or a military operation there is a tactical advantage in numbers and both forces understand the ideal ratio that puts the good guys in the best advantage for success in overcoming the enemy's resistance.

    Second, when the offender escalated the situation the cops resorted to baton strikes and taser, but your words 'violence' is accurate but doesn't change the fact their acts appeared justified. At least thats what it looked to me from the short clip.

    I understand you've been on the receiving end and that's unfortunate...for you. Over the course of my career I've been on the sending end very often and never hesitated once to put him/her down. Hesitation causes injury or death. The suspect picked the method I used not me. I'd much prefer sending the guy to ER for treatment/check out before booking him rather than visiting a cop in the hospital or at his/her funeral.

    Edit: I think it sounds like M. Richardson has been both kind and generous toward you. Based on some of your past posts that seem to have a skewed view toward LE I suppose it isn't surprising you fail to see that.
    Last edited by pm01; 04-11-2011 at 04:41 PM.

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    I didn't see anything wrong there, but I'd like to see what the guy did before he walked down the stairs. As a bonus, I wish they would have duct taped the woman who kept screeching "stop it" and other things.

    r.payton - "rent a pig" is kind of out of line, in my opinion.

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