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    Quote Originally Posted by Flop The Nuts View Post
    I've followed some of the videotaping cases, and I believe anyone should be able to videotape something that is happening in the public realm without fear of punishment. Conversely, if you are standing around yelling at a cop to "stop it", or some such nonsense then I think you are putting yourself in a position where you may be cuffed.
    What law are you breaking by yelling during a police action, if you are breaking some law does that law trump for right to free speech. If so I think there are some backward laws in this country when it is perfectly constitutional for people to burn the flag and shout terrible things at a soldiers funeral but when you yell during a police action its somehow unconstitutional.

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    What law are you breaking by yelling during a police action, if you are breaking some law does that law trump for right to free speech. If so I think there are some backward laws in this country when it is perfectly constitutional for people to burn the flag and shout terrible things at a soldiers funeral but when you yell during a police action its somehow unconstitutional.
    I think (don't know, just think) it matters what you are yelling. Kind of like yelling fire in a movie theatre. Like I said, the video shuts off before anything happened to her. She may have continued to yell and yell something that the police may think could have incited a riot. You can't tell from this video. If all she yelled was stop it, like we heard, then the police would have been wrong, but I bet there is more to it. I am willing to bet that a full video is out there and this was just posted to cause a stir. If the cameras were held by police, I would bet you would see the whole thing. People love to make cops look bad and therefore you get half videos, like this one, and then after investigation the police are found innocent. But the public only sees things like this.

    I could be wrong, but with that many witnesses, I am willing to bet that the dude getting hit and the chick who was arrested later, did more than we saw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quinn14 View Post
    I think (don't know, just think) it matters what you are yelling. Kind of like yelling fire in a movie theatre. Like I said, the video shuts off before anything happened to her. She may have continued to yell and yell something that the police may think could have incited a riot. You can't tell from this video. If all she yelled was stop it, like we heard, then the police would have been wrong, but I bet there is more to it. I am willing to bet that a full video is out there and this was just posted to cause a stir. If the cameras were held by police, I would bet you would see the whole thing. People love to make cops look bad and therefore you get half videos, like this one, and then after investigation the police are found innocent. But the public only sees things like this.

    I could be wrong, but with that many witnesses, I am willing to bet that the dude getting hit and the chick who was arrested later, did more than we saw.
    I understand what you are saying and I agree that the right to free speech is not absolute. As I said before if she was not inciting violence or any of the things that you mentioned then she should not be arrested. If she did then that is a different issue all together.

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    Being approached or detained by the police can be a nerve-wracking and frightening experience. In many situations, individuals act irregularly because of their emotions. If you are ever in the situation in which you are approached or detained by the police, the best thing to do is cooperate. There are certain things that one should always refrain from doing if approached or detained by the police.? Contact a criminal defense attorney in Phoenix for help.
    -Never run away from a police officer. Running away from the police is probably the worst thing you can do when being approached. Running away will change your situation in several ways. First, the police officer may become more suspicious if you decide to run away. In many instances police approach citizens for other reasons other then to arrest them; in this situation if you run away the officer could form probable cause and arrest you.
    -Never try to convince the officer of your innocence. This is virtually pointless because the officer is not the judge of your case; they do not decide your innocence or guilt. When trying to convince an officer of your innocence, you could potentially say something to hurt your case.
    -Do not give into the tricks police might play to gain information. In many instances, police will state lies or uncertainties in order to get you to talk. It is best to just hire an attorney and have him/her present throughout your entire proceedings to avoid being tricked.
    -Avoid derogatory language, swearing and name-calling. Mouthing off to the police will only cause unneeded tension, and could potentially give reason for suspicion.
    -Absolutely never resist arrest. Resisting arrest could turn a slight misdemeanor into a felony. Any physical contact made with a police officer could result in incarceration.
    Remember once arrested you still have options. An arrest only starts the legal process; it does not result in a conviction. Once arrested one should consult with an experienced criminal law attorney in order to be properly guided throughout each step. If you refrain from the common mistakes listed above you and your case will avoid unnecessary stress and complications.
    This article is provided courtesy of Phoenix Criminal Lawyer Leslie LeMense.? If you ever have an encounter with an Arizona police officer, call us at 24 hours a day toll-free at 877-231-0609, or contact us via e-mail.
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    This is a long way from what I was taught when Officer Friendly visited the grammer school-Police can legally detain you for suspicion , for ''mouthing off'', they can lie and try to trick you-etc. . I am NOT anti police-just anti a few police.
    You know, I think I would rather be a man than a god . We don't need anyone to believe in us. We just keep going anyhow. It's what we do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UGLY View Post
    What law are you breaking by yelling during a police action, if you are breaking some law does that law trump for right to free speech. If so I think there are some backward laws in this country when it is perfectly constitutional for people to burn the flag and shout terrible things at a soldiers funeral but when you yell during a police action its somehow unconstitutional.
    I don't know what the consitution states about yelling at police, but I know from experience (working in treatment centers) that yelling and sceaming during a dangerous situation gets everyone riled up and makes things worse. I can imagine that police arrest people who are freaking out during a police action, not because they want to charge them with anything, but because they want to stop them from escalating things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r.payton@att.net View Post
    Being approached or detained by the police can be a nerve-wracking and frightening experience. In many situations, individuals act irregularly because of their emotions. If you are ever in the situation in which you are approached or detained by the police, the best thing to do is cooperate. There are certain things that one should always refrain from doing if approached or detained by the police.? Contact a criminal defense attorney in Phoenix for help.
    -Never run away from a police officer. Running away from the police is probably the worst thing you can do when being approached. Running away will change your situation in several ways. First, the police officer may become more suspicious if you decide to run away. In many instances police approach citizens for other reasons other then to arrest them; in this situation if you run away the officer could form probable cause and arrest you.
    -Never try to convince the officer of your innocence. This is virtually pointless because the officer is not the judge of your case; they do not decide your innocence or guilt. When trying to convince an officer of your innocence, you could potentially say something to hurt your case.
    -Do not give into the tricks police might play to gain information. In many instances, police will state lies or uncertainties in order to get you to talk. It is best to just hire an attorney and have him/her present throughout your entire proceedings to avoid being tricked.
    -Avoid derogatory language, swearing and name-calling. Mouthing off to the police will only cause unneeded tension, and could potentially give reason for suspicion.
    -Absolutely never resist arrest. Resisting arrest could turn a slight misdemeanor into a felony. Any physical contact made with a police officer could result in incarceration.
    Remember once arrested you still have options. An arrest only starts the legal process; it does not result in a conviction. Once arrested one should consult with an experienced criminal law attorney in order to be properly guided throughout each step. If you refrain from the common mistakes listed above you and your case will avoid unnecessary stress and complications.
    This article is provided courtesy of Phoenix Criminal Lawyer Leslie LeMense.? If you ever have an encounter with an Arizona police officer, call us at 24 hours a day toll-free at 877-231-0609, or contact us via e-mail.
    5025 N Central Avenue
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    This is a long way from what I was taught when Officer Friendly visited the grammer school-Police can legally detain you for suspicion , for ''mouthing off'', they can lie and try to trick you-etc. . I am NOT anti police-just anti a few police.
    That seems like a very obvious list of rules to follow, are there people who aren't aware of this? Running away, swearing, and resisting arrest have never seemed like a good idea to me.

    I'm not really trying to be funny here, I'm just surprised someone would read that list and say "hey, those are good ideas I hadn't thought of". Maybe I've led a sheltered life though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arm-spin View Post
    I don't know what the consitution states about yelling at police, but I know from experience (working in treatment centers) that yelling and sceaming during a dangerous situation gets everyone riled up and makes things worse. I can imagine that police arrest people who are freaking out during a police action, not because they want to charge them with anything, but because they want to stop them from escalating things.
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