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    Assumption #1: the guy in the USA a jacket is a drunk trouble making scum bag who intended to physically harm the peace officers. He deserved it.

    Assumption #2: the cop was a power hunger punk who too eagerly stomped on some guys civil rights and escalated violence. The cops abused their power.

    It's amazing how we see the world so differently.
    My proir knowledge and experience with local police has me leaning toward #2. I only wish there was a camera following this guy after he was led away. SOP is to take guys like this to an emergence room instead of jail.

    Anyway, the details are beginning to emerge. Apparently, 5 or 6 "rowdy college students" in the section in front of Mr USA were ejected prior to this incident. While looking for more trouble makers to eject, the security guard in the video was standing in front of Mr USA's section and blocking their view. While many people in the section began heckling the guard, he singled out Mr. USA to eject. (Perhaps he was the loudest, closest, ugliest ?????) The two began arguing. The crowd chanted U-S-A, while the guard called the cops. (real Pittsburgh Police) A cop arrives and finally gets Mr USA to leave and we see the rest on the video.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M Richardson View Post
    Russ - Looks like I upset you, and for that I apologize. That certainly was not my intent. You have never made any secret of your prison background - and that background obviously gives us very different world views. I do believe that in all of our conversations here I have treated you with respect. In the private message you have referenced, I told you that I am required by policy to inform my superiors of ANY contact that I have with an ex-prisoner - or current one. I did you the courtesy of letting you know that I had done so. I also had informed them that I had offered you a place to stay if you needed to come out to California - a need that you, at that time, had indicated. I don't open my home to those that I view a a POS, whatever their legal status.
    In any confrontation between peace officers and those who are disturbing the peace, I have one ultimate position. I want to see all of the peace officers go home, safe and un-injured. That precludes anything resembling a "fair fight". When a drunk resists, you "call out the dogs" - irregardless of how "light in the ass" that might make a responder look. The idea isn't to look good in the eyes of bystanders - it is to subdue - quickly - a drunk and disorderly individual with no harm coming to the responders.
    M R.,
    I apologize for getting ''riled up'' but I have been falsely imprisoned and was beaten so severely I now have one shoulder and am in Chronic Pain-if you look at my post ''65,000,000.00 need not apply'' you'll see there are 65 million ex-offenders who are being told they need never apply for a job .That includes me-I receive SSDI but cannot survive on less than $700 a month and have recently given a great deal of thought to dying -I will NEVER contribute to society again and I have come to realize I am NOTHING but a burden -I cannot not even do VOLUNTEER work . All because one policeman said he was going to make my life HELL-and he did-I went to prison with out an abstract of judgement !!
    Once upon a time I was a MAN-now I DO NOTHING every day ! And this will continue til the day I die.
    When I see an usher start an incident like this and force an incident where everyone loses I flash back to being tasered and beaten simply because I , quite literally, cannot place my hands behind my back. I have come to chained to a bed at least a dozen times-all because I was an advocate when I filed a writ of habeus corpus to get out of prison and tried to help others like me . I have tried so hard to make it in this world but can rarely find a reason to get out of bed-NOTHING will EVER change. I will be in pain ,ostrasized ,crippled and in a state of flux between anger and suicide forever .
    I truly apologize for lashing out but I have stared down the wrong end of a .10 guage and .40 calibers too many times to ever forget . Well, enough feeling sorry for myself.I sincerely hope you can find it in your heart to forgive me.
    Russ
    You know, I think I would rather be a man than a god . We don't need anyone to believe in us. We just keep going anyhow. It's what we do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pm01 View Post
    I carried the sidehandle baton and used it only a few times. I opt'ed to use voice, hand constraint, OC, and taser.
    What is an OC?

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    Oleoresin capsicum.

    Pepper spray, basically.
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    I'd rather be TASERED than OC'D anyday.
    You know, I think I would rather be a man than a god . We don't need anyone to believe in us. We just keep going anyhow. It's what we do.

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    I just saw on ESPN that this incident is being investigated for brutality. The chick in the background yelling got arrested, too. I guess she wouldn't shut up and then resisted arrest, all the while yelling that she worked for a tv station. Not sure what that has to do with anything, but she seemed to think it meant something.

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    That is bull crap if she got arrested. I hate the idea that I have to obey a cop even when it comes to me speaking. As long as she was not inciting violence they have no right to do anything about what she is yelling. The ballpark can ask her to leave but it is not illegal to yell stop it. Cops do on occasion take matters to far in the name of their own safety, which is crap because in most situations they have all of the weapons and protective gear, they need to understand that the more aggressive the cops are the more aggressive the crowd or perpetrator becomes, it is only natural to want to protect yourself.

    I am pro cop but this kind of stuff I cant stand. I didn't see the need to hit the guy, I saw the need for the two cops to put the one person on the ground and cuff him.

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    The way ESPN explained it, she got aggressive towards the cops. They asked her (probably yelled) to go back to her seat. She refused and resisted in some way. Not sure how, but they made it sound like she was aggresive towards them. Then she physically resisted in some way. In this day in age, someone probably got that on film too. So maybe we will get it see it.

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    The actions being investigated for brutality isn't surprising. I'd like to repeat there are aspects of it that concern me. I only watched the video twice so can't have much of an opinion. It is possible that a finding of no criminal charges of brutality could come down with a finding by an internal affairs investigation that policy was not followed.

    Lastly I will say taking enforcement action in a situation like this is very dangerous. Crowds are extremely volatile especially when alcohol is introduced. Thiscould have easily have become a small riot situation and possibly even a lynching. Not good. I don't want to criticize the officers too much because I have too little of info but sometimes the offender's action changes a good plan.

    Not that it applies here but there are tactical withdraws to regroup. Perhaps waiting for more police numbers could have helped this situation. If the guy (usher????) who was elbowed by the suspect agitated him as he was being escorted out might be cause for enforcement action as well.

    Sorry for the typos and not proofing but I'm on the go today and posting from my phone.

    R.Payton: I'd prefer OC myself. I hate shocks. Speaking of the taser this suspect didn't seem too phased. It looked to be upper body and going for his legs as he was in shorts might have better results. In any case I think the training of these officers in this situation might be better. I'm interested in hearing other facts and to follow the outcome of the investigation.

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