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    My theory that if Bush had come out and said we were going to war in Iraq in order to remove a brutal dictator other nations would have backed him up and the American people would have. It is crazy to think that we cant afford the two wars we are in now according to the Obama and Clinton but now that they are in a situation to remove an unpopular dictator they are taking the chance. This situation could also stretch on for years in Libya.

    I have no problem with acting in Libya along with our allies as long as we dont take the lead, we need to concentrate on finishing the other two wars before we put boots on the ground in Libya.

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    Not sure if this is 100% accurate, but I heard that the Arab League asked us to do this. I'm okay with it, as long as they pay for it. I think that should have been the one condition we insisted upon before the bombing started. I don't think we got that deal, though, so we are just putting ourselves further in debt.

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    I have a hell of a problem with our role as gun for hire -the ''rebels'' want us to support them with air strikes but they do NOT want an infidel to set foot on their soil . The US did this in Korea , then Viet Nam , then covertly in Afghanistan , too covertly in fact as the Taliban took credit for beating the russians-yet they did so with our weapons, the same weapons they are using to kill our soldiers.
    Our military is starting to look a lot like an old tv show-''HAVE GUN, WILL TRAVEL'' . I skipped our involvement in Central and South America and especially Somalia as i get too angry to type !!
    This ''war'' is not ours . PERIOD!! And quinn 14 -if the rebels lose-HTH are we going to get paid ? At least contract hit men are smart enough to get 50% up front.
    At least in Iraq we found and destroyed all those WMDs.

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    I don't have the answer to how we get paid. I was thinking that maybe the Arab League could pay, not the rebels. I certainly don't have enough knowledge on how these things work to really know, though. That's why I would have stayed out unless someone else paid for it.

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    When did the US become gun for hire?
    When does going to war and putting our soldiers life at risk, not to mention all the collateral damage and death that occur become a soley financial decision?
    If we are serious to committ lives to this we can sirelt find ways to pay for it.
    That fact that we are worrying about $$$, tells me that we are serious about this conflict.
    Gadaffi is a brutal dictator and I hope he gets taken out but this is Libyan issue, I don't see why we should be involved.
    I don't think these rebel group have any great love of democracy or the west.

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    Those are certainly good questions. But, when was the last time an American fighter jet got shot down by an enemy, especially one like Libya? I think it is relatively safe to say that we could provide a no fly zone with little to no casualties. That being said, the fuel and cost of bombs, not to mention the hazardous pay cost us millions. Why not ask the Arab League to pay for it if that is what they want?

    Putting boots on the ground is a whole different story. And by the way, I know this is a bit off topic, but how do liberals think about the "Hope and Change"? That is not sarcastic. I am wondering if liberals agree with Obama keeping Gitmo open when he vowed to shut it down and now a pre-emptive bombing. Would you all vote for him again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by quinn14 View Post
    Those are certainly good questions. But, when was the last time an American fighter jet got shot down by an enemy, especially one like Libya? I think it is relatively safe to say that we could provide a no fly zone with little to no casualties. That being said, the fuel and cost of bombs, not to mention the hazardous pay cost us millions. Why not ask the Arab League to pay for it if that is what they want?

    Putting boots on the ground is a whole different story. And by the way, I know this is a bit off topic, but how do liberals think about the "Hope and Change"? That is not sarcastic. I am wondering if liberals agree with Obama keeping Gitmo open when he vowed to shut it down and now a pre-emptive bombing. Would you all vote for him again?
    I understand your point about enforcing a no-fly zone v. really going to war, but my pint still stands that if we are worrying about billing out our soldiers we are getting way too cavalier about war.

    As far as your second question, being fairly liberal, I can give my opinion.
    I think he is doing a good job in a difficult situation. I am also a realsit. He probably still wants to shut down Gitmo but is not willing to spend the energy and political capital to do so.
    I am not a fan at all of the US getting involved in a foriegn country's affairs, but it is a tricky situation and there are not any obvious answers.
    I can't imagine any situation that will cause me not to vote for Obama in 2012 (short of him declining to run).
    I disagree with Republicans on too many fundamental issues and the recent trend in the party has been to become more conservative, which makes it very unlikely that I would vote for the Republican nomination. BTW, I liked McCain and while I did not vote for him, I would of had no problem with him as President.

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    ODH makes a great point. We should not be a gun for hire and we should let countries decide their own future. If human rights were the catalyst for all of our wars then we would have been in China years ago. We had help in our revolution only because the french hated England. We need to pull back a little and only get involved when it effects us directly.

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    Wow, all this support for intervention against a "brutal dictator" and not 18 months ago the majority here were all over Bush for getting involved with Hussein who was 10 times the tyrant Ghadaffi has become, even though they were supportive at hte onset of the conflict.

    So what will be thinking 6 months from now if this initiative remains active.
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