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    "No, I don't regret giving the president authority because at the time it was in the context of weapons of mass destruction, grave threats to the United States, and clearly, Saddam Hussein had been a real problem for the international community for more than a decade."

    -- Hilary Clinton

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    Yeah, well, I don't buy the "CIA made us do it" argument. Clearly, Bush wanted to go in, and he found whatever intelligence he wanted to support his intent. I had doubts from the get go and Bush never provided any credible evidence of such. In fact, his reluctance to be forthright with his purported evidence, in conjunction with his repeated statements that WMDs were a fact, cast even greater doubt on the enterprise.

    Clinton's (Hillary) statement is just a way of justifying her vote while trying to appeal to a variety of potential voters. It's not proof that WMD's existed or even that she thought they existed. It's pretty clear to me that we invaded in order to secure resources, and Greenspan has confirmed this rationale (with a straight face) in recent days. I'm sure there are a great number of people in Washington (perhaps even Clinton) who think this way--who think the invasion was justified because our control or access to oil was threatened.

    Bottom line: money and power trumped humanity.
    Last edited by matclone; 09-23-2007 at 02:30 PM.

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    Can you try to entertain the notion that maybe "money and power" and humanity could co exist?

    I criticize Bush for a lack of foresight and a poor planning.

    However, I don't see the idea of taking out Saddam and building a stable and democratic Iraq as inhuman.

    It's still possible that history will view the Iraq invasion as a huge humanitarian success.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ground&Pound View Post
    Can you try to entertain the notion that maybe "money and power" and humanity could co exist?
    Huh? They do co-exist. I'm just pointing out what took precendence in this instance. In the history of humankind, it's nothing new.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ground&Pound View Post
    I criticize Bush for a lack of foresight and a poor planning.

    However, I don't see the idea of taking out Saddam and building a stable and democratic Iraq as inhuman.
    The invasion was inhumane, however, you want to characterize it. Oh, and we didn't invade in order to provide Iraq with "democracy". That's absurd. "We bomb you in order that you have democratic government" LOL.

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    Clone,
    Your admission that you wish to ignore evidence and believe what you want, tells me you will never see things for what they are.

    It's a waste of time to discuss these issues with you if your mind is already made up and nothing will ever allow you to reconsider your position.

    I respect your right to have your own opinion, however I don't hold your opinion in very high esteem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matclone View Post
    Oh, and we didn't invade in order to provide Iraq with "democracy". That's absurd.
    Did Iraq hold an open election or not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by matclone View Post
    That's absurd. "We bomb you in order that you have democratic government" LOL.
    It wasn't a freakin Blitzkrieg.

    It was probably one of the most human military operations in the history of the world.

    I wonder how many American soldiers were killed because they weren't aloud to blow up mosques in which snipers were hiding.

    If anything, it could be argued that we were too human in the operation.

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    ground,

    You are assuming too much. For example, you are assuming that materialism is more important to Iraqis than culture and religion. You are assuming that Sunnis, Shia, and Kurds will become friends without Saddam. Among other things you are assuming what Hitler assumed. If I can take over one country successfully I can take over another one and another one and another one.

    Bush himself said Iraq will be the model for the rest of the region. That thinking is fascist. Those people do not need America to build their countries.

    By your thinking I should drop my interest in going to wrestling practices or whatever else I sacrifice my time to pursue and make money. Money is the only thing that is important to capitalism. Things don't work that way. People don't want to play by American oil rules.

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    Bush himself said Iraq will be the model for the rest of the region. That thinking is fascist. Those people do not need America to build their countries.

    I'm pretty sure that they don't have any second thoughts about taking our oil-money to build their countries. Hopefully, when we (the US) finally wean ourselves from oil, we can all get along. They'll probably still hate us for recognizing the sovereignty of the Jewish state though. Maybe we should all just convert to Islam, so that they're not mad at us any longer.

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