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    I have been saying that ever since Bush created it.

    Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin.

    Repeal the Patriot Act!

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    There are some aspects that are of significant value and don't affect anyone liberties. Repealed, no, amended yes.
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    There are some aspects that are of significant value and don't affect anyone liberties. Repealed, no, amended yes.
    name them pls...

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    name them pls...
    Increased barriers to money laundering
    Increased border security
    Better definition of criminal terrorism
    Enhanced penalties for corrupt officials
    Criminal background checks for hazardous material drivers, incoming foreign college students and visiting faculty
    Telemarketing fraud and abuse prevention
    Court-approved roving wiretaps that permit surveillance on multiple phones.
    Court-approved seizure of records and property in anti-terrorism operations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coachsparky View Post
    I have been saying that ever since Bush created it.

    Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin.

    Repeal the Patriot Act!
    I am gonna print that & frame. Sparky & I agree. Iama gonna fainta....

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    Sounds good in those summarized phrases but they also could be more double edged swords.

    Money Laundering? Could also just mean currency control so if you or I need to get money out we wont be able to...just one example.

    Increased Border security? FAIL.

    Better definition of criminal terrorism? According to WHOM? better compared to WHAT?

    Enhanced penalties for corrupt officials? Didn't help us int he Blackwater case did it?

    Criminal background checks for hazardous material drivers, incoming foreign college students and visiting faculty? Again sounds nice on paper but that last part id the beginning of the Japanese interment camps.

    Telemarketing fraud and abuse prevention? They are still selling vacations in Florida.

    Court-approved roving wiretaps that permit surveillance on multiple phones? Um how about NO.

    Court-approved seizure of records and property in anti-terrorism operations? Depends on what is defined as "anti-terrorist." Those "Egyptian "Freedom Fighters & Protesters could be considered "Terrorists."

    It all depends on the nomenclature AND more importantly WHO IS EXECUTING THE LAW INTO ACTION. As long as the CIA & the DIA are overthrowing democratically elected governments because they dont want to give the US corporate interests a piece of their natural resources then we will continue to hypocrites in the eyes of the world & have "conflicts." Btw conflicts always make a lot of money. See World War One for starters.





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    Quote Originally Posted by kr1963 View Post
    Sounds good in those summarized phrases but they also could be more double edged swords. You're speculating on a topic you know nothing about.

    Money Laundering? Could also just mean currency control so if you or I need to get money out we wont be able to...just one example. Look who's speculating

    Increased Border security? FAIL. But there's more now than there was pre 2001 including the Canadian border

    Better definition of criminal terrorism? According to WHOM? better compared to WHAT? Compared to how it was defined before the Act.

    Enhanced penalties for corrupt officials? Didn't help us int he Blackwater case did it? Matter of fact it did.
    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.p...ion-2010-04-19

    Criminal background checks for hazardous material drivers, incoming foreign college students and visiting faculty? Again sounds nice on paper but that last part id the beginning of the Japanese interment camps.
    Obviously you aren't close to the affected organizations, in fact it does work. There's just no publicity about those that have been turned away or had the CDLs yanked. Internment camps? Who's talking about camps? No letting someone into the US is paramount to an interment camp? You're grasping and you hands are showing it.

    Telemarketing fraud and abuse prevention? They are still selling vacations in Florida. While it may not have much relationship to terrorism, the fact is the telemarketing fraud is wrapped into the Patriot Act. C'mon do some research before spouting off with nonsense.

    Court-approved roving wiretaps that permit surveillance on multiple phones? Um how about NO. Ah, phones are no longer stationary get it. They're MOBILE. "multiple phones" If you read the act, it means gaining permission for a tap on more than a single phone on a single warrant. It necessary since there may be mul;tiple phones in a single safe house. C'mon use some common sense.

    Court-approved seizure of records and property in anti-terrorism operations? Depends on what is defined as "anti-terrorist." Those "Egyptian "Freedom Fighters & Protesters could be considered "Terrorists." Obviously you have no clue as to what is in the Act. On the first page you'll find the definition of terrorism and terrorist.

    It all depends on the nomenclature AND more importantly WHO IS EXECUTING THE LAW INTO ACTION. As long as the CIA & the DIA are overthrowing democratically elected governments because they dont want to give the US corporate interests a piece of their natural resources then we will continue to hypocrites in the eyes of the world & have "conflicts." Btw conflicts always make a lot of money. See World War One for starters.

    There you go speculating again. "It all depends on the nomenclature". LOL Every key term is defined in the Act. Take the time to read the "nomenclature.



    You're a beaut. You are condemning the Act in it's entirety and you have no clue as to whom it affects nor the content. It's the FIi's responsibility to investigate and combat terrorism here in the US. The Act addresses the prevention and investigation onshore domestic terrorism.

    Try to not spew what you think you heard others spew and pop off about something you are ignorant about.
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    You're a beaut. You are condemning the Act in it's entirety and you have no clue as to whom it affects nor the content. It's the FIi's responsibility to investigate and combat terrorism here in the US. The Act addresses the prevention and investigation onshore domestic terrorism.

    Try to not spew what you think you heard others spew and pop off about something you are ignorant about.

    You are sounding a bit pi$$y when there is no need to be.


    Sounds good in those summarized phrases but they also could be more double edged swords.
    You're speculating on a topic you know nothing about.

    Um Incorrect. Have you ever downloaded & read the Patriot Act? If you haven't try it sometime. I have READ most of the highlights so I do know a lot about it.


    Money Laundering?
    Could also just mean currency control so if you or I need to get money out we wont be able to...just one example.
    Look who's speculating

    I have no idea what you are referring to with this LOOK WHO comment. You tone is sounding like you are taking my comments as personal attacks or something & NONE of them were. This is POLITICS pure & simple. ALl I am talking about is finding & implementing the best policy possible. The Patriot Act opens the door for freedoms to vanish if someone suddenly decides that YOU or anyone is a TERRORIST because you don't agree with their policies. This is what has happened in history more then once.

    Being a person who owns a company that does trade shows internationally I know quite a bit about possession of money to & from overseas. Currently there is a $10,000 limit. Anything else the government has to "to keep track of." If you look @ the monumental failure that the war on drugs has been , (like the war on cancer) then you will see that the Barry Seals of the world actually LAUNDERED money for the CIA. Being in control of the money supply sounds great to track criminals but when the criminals are running the show then their game is to figure how to get control of small businesses like me Unnecessarily.

    Increased Border security?
    FAIL.
    But there's more now than there was pre 2001 including the Canadian border

    Perhaps but for an administration that spent TRILLIONS on the war on terror our borders are a JOKE. There are places on the Canadian border where people cross on the HONOR SYSTEM. The Arizona State Government wants a fence & the Feds stop them & the Arizona State Law which is just trying to enforce the Federal Law which apparently NO ONE is enforcing.

    Better definition of criminal terrorism?
    According to WHOM? better compared to WHAT?
    Compared to how it was defined before the Act.

    Do you know what that was? And what it is now? & WHO wrote that specific piece of the law?

    Enhanced penalties for corrupt officials?
    Didn't help us in the Blackwater case did it?
    Matter of fact it did.
    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.p...ion-2010-04-19
    Dead Link.




    Criminal background checks for hazardous material drivers, incoming foreign college students and visiting faculty?
    Again sounds nice on paper but that last part could be the beginning of the Japanese interment camps.
    Obviously you aren't close to the affected organizations, in fact it does work. There's just no publicity about those that have been turned away or had the CDLs yanked. Internment camps? Who's talking about camps? No letting someone into the US is paramount to an interment camp? You're grasping and you hands are showing it.
    Leads to profiling which people indiscriminantly target a specific group, like what happen to the Japaneses during WWII. If you can't see that then you should study history a bit more. So you are saying this LAW worked but there is no press on this? Perhaps a mirage then. How can anyone be sure that there were not any prejudices or targeted individuals in effect.

    Telemarketing fraud and abuse prevention?
    They are still selling vacations in Florida.
    While it may not have much relationship to terrorism, the fact is the telemarketing fraud is wrapped into the Patriot Act. C'mon do some research before spouting off with nonsense.

    I was making a joke dude lighten up. It didn't stop the telemarketing of fraudulent mortgages being sold. Or the financial compnaies just changing the rules on people because they had a monopoly. I was personally bombarded by phone calls the past 3 years as companies tried to sellme their services which I knew were a joke. I don't think any of those companies survived.

    Court-approved roving wiretaps that permit surveillance on multiple phones?
    Um how about NO.
    Ah, phones are no longer stationary get it. They're MOBILE. "multiple phones" If you read the act, it means gaining permission for a tap on more than a single phone on a single warrant. It necessary since there may be multiple phones in a single safe house. C'mon use some common sense.

    You apparently aren't. Sorry but I am not letting these guys get that much power. I think anyone who does is just foolish. Once again someone has created a THREAT so that we all give up some of our FREEDOMS in order to be SAFE. I am NOT BUYING THAT ever. Somethings you don't compromise on.

    Court-approved seizure of records and property in anti-terrorism operations?
    Depends on what is defined as "anti-terrorist." Those "Egyptian "Freedom Fighters & Protesters could be considered "Terrorists."
    Obviously you have no clue as to what is in the Act. On the first page you'll find the definition of terrorism and terrorist.
    I have read it. Most of the key points. You are opening a door that I am not walking down & I will fight TO SHUT. This "law" was created to the pleas of the knee-jerk crowd & that is what the powers @ be are counting on. It ain't me. If you trust this to be applied evenly @ all times the past 10 years has taught yet to teach you anything. This WAR costs about 275 MILLION dollars per day. Someone is making a lot of money & no one can even keep track of it. It is gross.

    It all depends on the nomenclature AND more importantly WHO IS EXECUTING THE LAW INTO ACTION. As long as the CIA & the DIA are overthrowing democratically elected governments because they dont want to give the US corporate interests a piece of their natural resources then we will continue to hypocrites in the eyes of the world & have "conflicts." Btw conflicts always make a lot of money. See World War One for starters.
    There you go speculating again. "It all depends on the nomenclature". LOL Every key term is defined in the Act. Take the time to read the "nomenclature.

    I did, I think that you haven't or that you have misunderstood definitions in effect in your understanding or lack thereof. There is NO speculating on this point. I have scene it first hand & 2nd hand how our governement suppresses people in this country & abroad.

    Bottom line we have a government building "an empire" around the world that costs TRILLIONS & you & I AND are paying for it. I wont pay for it. People are lining their pockets with money from our taxes with virtually no oversight. Enough. Get rid of it.



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