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    I was born in the Land of Lincoln 50 years ago...

    In my lifetime, three Illinois governors have been convicted of crimes and done time: Otto Kerner (as in the Kerner Commission)... Dan Walker (as in the guy who walked the length and width of the state when running for office in 1972)...and George Ryan, Blagoivich's predessor. William Stratton, governor from 1953-1961, was acquitted.

    All of these men completed their terms as governor.

    Interestingly, on NPR's Talk of the Nation this afternoon, they asked which state has had the most governors leave office before terms were up in the past 20 years....

    You may be surprised by the answer...

    No, not New Jersey...

    ARIZONA!

    Mark

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    Ban, this morning I heard that Illinois is officially the 6th most corrupt state in terms of political crime per capita. Louisiana was first. Second and third were also in the south, Ohio was 5th.
    "All my life I have tried to pluck a thistle and plant a flower wherever the flower would grow in thought and mind." -- Abraham Lincoln

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluestater View Post
    We've got Fightin' Pat Fitzgerald on our side!

    As for Daley, I've lived in the city limits for five years and in Cook County for most of my life. If Daley is corrupt, it's yet to be proven. He does keep the city in good working order, brings economic opportunity here, and has done a miracle with the schools. I have my quibbles -- the parking meter privatization, for one -- but I would have no problem voting for him again.

    What miracle has Daley done with the schools?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmyFan View Post
    What miracle has Daley done with the schools?
    Since he has taken over the schools, test scores have gone way up, the flight of people from with kids from city has slowed to a crawl, schools like Payton and Northside College Prep have been opened and have phenomenal test scores and are sending kids to the Ivy League, and there hasn't been a teachers' strike in years. (Growing up as a Catholic school student, I was always jealous of the Chicago Public School kids because school never started on time. There were strikes every year.) They're not perfect by far, but the Renaissance 2010 program has really made a difference, and that's all Daley's brainchild.

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    In 1992 we moved to Evanston because we were hesitant of the Chicago Public Schools. The elementary schools were overwhelming and the local high school (Lake View) had a 47% graduation rate. Growing up in Iowa, I just couldn't imagine living somewhere where you couldn't send your kids to the public school. Evanston has been a good choice for us, but I just looked up Lake View's graduation rate, it's now 68%. Not there yet, but it's a pretty good jump.
    "All my life I have tried to pluck a thistle and plant a flower wherever the flower would grow in thought and mind." -- Abraham Lincoln

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    Some of the CPS high schools you mention are very good schools indeed (Payton, Northside, Young) but they should be. They get to pick the cream of the crop (plus children of Daley's friends/family). They are magnet schools attracting kids from all over Chicago. However, they are the exception. The vast majority of schools in Chicago are failing miserably, despite spending almost $11,000 per child (operating expenses). <O</O
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    The flight to the 'burbs by families with school age children has not "slowed to a crawl" at all. And the people who stay, and can afford it, still send their kids to the private schools. <O></O>
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    Getting into one of the magnet schools is either 1. purely random or 2. requires a nice check to Daley or one of his cronies. The testing requirements to get into the magnet program are a little "loose", allowing the powers that be to slide in the children of friends/family.

    As I mentioned, the magnet schools are very good (but should be better). Let's look at Payton: 26.4 Avg ACT, with about 225 kids per class. That is a very good average ACT score. The public high schools in my area (just normal schools accepting any and all kids) have slightly lower scores, but are 3-5X as big, while spending about 25% less per student. <O></O>
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    I give a lot of credit to Arne Duncan for CPS' improvement, but they're far from being a "good" school system. If/when he leaves, CPS will be in trouble.

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