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    Quote Originally Posted by quinn14 View Post
    Again, Sparky, you are putting words into someone else's mouth. No, he did not say what you said he said. Here is what he said:

    "There may be some people here today who do not have living within them the Holy Spirit," Bentley said. ''But if you have been adopted in God's family like I have, and like you have if you're a Christian and if you're saved, and the Holy Spirit lives within you just like the Holy Spirit lives within me, then you know what that makes? It makes you and me brothers. And it makes you and me brother and sister."
    Bentley stopped just short of calling for non-Christians to accept Jesus Christ.
    ''Now I will have to say that, if we don't have the same daddy, we're not brothers and sisters," he said. "So anybody here today who has not accepted Jesus Christ as their savior, I'm telling you, you're not my brother and you're not my sister, and I want to be your brother."

    You tell me where he said that he didn't love, care and respect anyone else. If that is how you "understood" it, then fine. But that certainly isn't what he said or how I understood it. I am sorry if reading what was actually said means I am oversimplifiying things, but that is how I expect to be treated. You seem to want to take what he actually said and twist it to tell him what he actually meant. Who the hell are you? Let HIS words speak for themself. And NO WHERE did he say he didn't love, care and respect someone who didn't believe what he does.
    Words have meaning quinn. You seem to want to ignore that. When you are part of a family, you have a deep bond, a caring that exceeds what you have with other people, a love that exceeds that you have with other people and a respect that exceeds that which you have with other people. You can deny the truth all you want but it will not go away. He said what he said and it meant what I said. He understands his mistake, too bad you can not grasp it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coachsparky View Post
    Words have meaning quinn. You seem to want to ignore that. When you are part of a family, you have a deep bond, a caring that exceeds what you have with other people, a love that exceeds that you have with other people and a respect that exceeds that which you have with other people. You can deny the truth all you want but it will not go away. He said what he said and it meant what I said. He understands his mistake, too bad you can not grasp it.
    Sparky, you have said many times that you are a very literal person. It doesn't seem like you are being literal in this case. He said what he said and meant what he said. You chose to portray it in your own words, not his. Let's just stick to what he actually said.

    But, if what he said offended you or anyone else, I don't know why saying sorry would clear that up. He still believes what he said, so the reason for the offense is still there.

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    Wheres the link?

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    Quote Originally Posted by coachsparky View Post
    The only one on this thread demonstrating a clear inability to separate the two is you quinn. When you are asked to come speak as the Governor of the State of Alabama, your words are going to be scrutinized, whether they are said in a church, in a library or in a lecture hall. The Governor now realizes that and has apologized for his faux pas just as he should have. I believe he has learned a lesson which it appears you are incapable or unwilling to learn yourself.
    Obviously many disagree with me here, but could one person please show me something that says he was asked to speak as the governor. I have said before, if that was the case, then he shouldn't have said it. I have read nothing that indicates this as being the case. He might have been asked to speak because he was a well known Baptist. Don't you think that had something to do with it? If he were jewish or atheist I don't think he would have been asked to speak.

    And if a governor is not allowed to speak about his religious views inside a church, then what does the seperation of church and state mean? I am really curious as to what you all think, because obviously it means something different to many of you than it does me. I have searched and searched but have found nothing to say that an elected official isn't allowed to speak freely about their religion in church. So please, someone show me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quinn14 View Post
    Sparky, you have said many times that you are a very literal person. It doesn't seem like you are being literal in this case. He said what he said and meant what he said. You chose to portray it in your own words, not his. Let's just stick to what he actually said.

    But, if what he said offended you or anyone else, I don't know why saying sorry would clear that up. He still believes what he said, so the reason for the offense is still there.
    I am being very literal here quinn, I am surprised you are not smart enough to understand that. He said a fellow Christian is his brother and others are not. You, me, the governor and everyone else knows that means literally that he views you as family and family gets more love, more care and more respect than a none family member. That is what it literally means.

    I was not offended at all. I just think he was very stupid to make such a comment as the Governor of the State of Alabama. I know he realizes it and will most likely not make the same mistake again. I respect him for being able to admit his mistake. He will be a better man from this.
    Last edited by coachsparky; 01-22-2011 at 04:20 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coachsparky View Post
    I am being very literal here quinn, I am surprised you are not smart enough to understand that.
    And you wonder why people say that you attack them. There is no reason to call someone stupid because they don't agree with you. Like you said, words have meanings and you have just offended me. I was just taking a side in a debate and you felt the need to call me dumb. That just shows me that you don't have the ability to debate without making it personal. Of course, I've known that for a while now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quinn14 View Post
    And you wonder why people say that you attack them. There is no reason to call someone stupid because they don't agree with you. Like you said, words have meanings and you have just offended me. I was just taking a side in a debate and you felt the need to call me dumb. That just shows me that you don't have the ability to debate without making it personal. Of course, I've known that for a while now.
    I agree, I did not and would not call anyone stupid. I am surprised you are not smart enough to recognize I did not call you stupid, nor did I call you dumb. I am also surprised you are not smart enough to recognize I made no personal attacks. But oh well some people can make all kinds of things up in their mind when they feel like they are cornered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quinn14 View Post
    Again, Sparky, you are putting words into someone else's mouth. No, he did not say what you said he said. Here is what he said:

    "There may be some people here today who do not have living within them the Holy Spirit," Bentley said. ''But if you have been adopted in God's family like I have, and like you have if you're a Christian and if you're saved, and the Holy Spirit lives within you just like the Holy Spirit lives within me, then you know what that makes? It makes you and me brothers. And it makes you and me brother and sister."
    Bentley stopped just short of calling for non-Christians to accept Jesus Christ.
    ''Now I will have to say that, if we don't have the same daddy, we're not brothers and sisters," he said. "So anybody here today who has not accepted Jesus Christ as their savior, I'm telling you, you're not my brother and you're not my sister, and I want to be your brother."

    You tell me where he said that he didn't love, care and respect anyone else. If that is how you "understood" it, then fine. But that certainly isn't what he said or how I understood it. I am sorry if reading what was actually said means I am oversimplifiying things, but that is how I expect to be treated. You seem to want to take what he actually said and twist it to tell him what he actually meant. Who the hell are you? Let HIS words speak for themself. And NO WHERE did he say he didn't love, care and respect someone who didn't believe what he does.
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    Just an FYI quinn, when I say I am surprised you are not smart enough to do x, it is a sign that I find you to be a fairly intelligent person so it surprises me you do not understand x. It actually points out that I think reasonably highly of your intelligence. Have a good day bud.
    Last edited by coachsparky; 01-22-2011 at 04:55 PM.

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