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    Quote Originally Posted by coachsparky View Post
    No quinn, you are oversimplifying things as usual. I do care what he believes. If he truly believes that those who do not belong to the same religion as he is do not deserve the same kind of love, care and respect, which is what he said, then he should not backtrack from it.
    Again, Sparky, you are putting words into someone else's mouth. No, he did not say what you said he said. Here is what he said:

    "There may be some people here today who do not have living within them the Holy Spirit," Bentley said. ''But if you have been adopted in God's family like I have, and like you have if you're a Christian and if you're saved, and the Holy Spirit lives within you just like the Holy Spirit lives within me, then you know what that makes? It makes you and me brothers. And it makes you and me brother and sister."
    Bentley stopped just short of calling for non-Christians to accept Jesus Christ.
    ''Now I will have to say that, if we don't have the same daddy, we're not brothers and sisters," he said. "So anybody here today who has not accepted Jesus Christ as their savior, I'm telling you, you're not my brother and you're not my sister, and I want to be your brother."

    You tell me where he said that he didn't love, care and respect anyone else. If that is how you "understood" it, then fine. But that certainly isn't what he said or how I understood it. I am sorry if reading what was actually said means I am oversimplifiying things, but that is how I expect to be treated. You seem to want to take what he actually said and twist it to tell him what he actually meant. Who the hell are you? Let HIS words speak for themself. And NO WHERE did he say he didn't love, care and respect someone who didn't believe what he does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rustyshackleford View Post
    He's the governor. Like being the president, you don't get time off. Everything you do and say is under scrutiny. If he committed a crime (this obviously isn't a crime), you can't say 'well, he didn't do it as governor. It was on his own time.' That's just how it is, and until now I've never heard anyone argue otherwise.
    The argument is that he spoke to a church in a church service. State cannot enter church and church cannot enter state. Crimes don't come into play here. It is a seperation of church and state thing. And by the constitution, he is allowed to be a christian, muslim, buddist, whatever.....inside the church without being scrutinized.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quinn14 View Post
    The argument is that he spoke to a church in a church service. State cannot enter church and church cannot enter state. Crimes don't come into play here. It is a seperation of church and state thing. And by the constitution, he is allowed to be a christian, muslim, buddist, whatever.....inside the church without being scrutinized.
    There is nothing in the constitution that says you can't be scrutinized for what you say as long as its in a church.
    BTW, no one is saying he committed a crime, everyone else is just saying he showed poor judgement as the Governor of Alabama calling out non-Christians as people who he did not want to call Brothers.

    The whole point is htat you don't stop being governor as soon as you walk into a church.

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    There is nothing in the constitution that says you can't be scrutinized for what you say as long as its in a church.
    BTW, no one is saying he committed a crime, everyone else is just saying he showed poor judgement as the Governor of Alabama calling out non-Christians as people who he did not want to call Brothers.

    The whole point is htat you don't stop being governor as soon as you walk into a church.
    I only mentioned a crime because Rusty tried to equate a crime in there. I know it isn't a crime.

    But as far as not wanting to call non-christians his brothers, you are wrong. He ended his statement by saying "I want to be your brother". I guess he didn't know that other people would hear or read what he actually said and then make up their own version of it.

    I also disagree about not being governor when you walk into a church. Turn that thinking around. Does it mean you aren't a christian when you come out? Of course you are still a governor when you go into church and of course you are still a christian when you come out. But, can someone seperate the two, is the question. It seems to me that a lot of people on this thread cannot seperate the two. That, to me, is sad. It is a fundamental reason that our forefathers left to form this country. Now, people seem to think that if you are an elected official, suddenly you can't worship the way you want. I don't get it. He was not making a public speech. That IS the difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quinn14 View Post
    On this we disagree. Let me know if you find this statement filled with hate or not.

    The white man is our mortal enemy, and we cannot accept him. I will fight to see that vicious beast go down into the lake of fire prepared for him from the beginning, that he never rise again to give any innocent black man, woman or child the hell that he has delighted in pouring on us for 400 years -- Louis Farrakhan, City College audience in New York
    Wheres the link?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ODH View Post
    There is nothing in the constitution that says you can't be scrutinized for what you say as long as its in a church.
    BTW, no one is saying he committed a crime, everyone else is just saying he showed poor judgement as the Governor of Alabama calling out non-Christians as people who he did not want to call Brothers.

    The whole point is htat you don't stop being governor as soon as you walk into a church.
    Exactly. There is absolutely no separation of church and state argument to be made here. The governor is the governor, no matter what. Being in a church doesn't change that. When you are in that position and say something dumb it doesn't matter where you are. What if he said something worse in the speech? Does it not count bc he's in a church. That is a ridiculous argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r.payton@att.net View Post
    Gonna have to dis agree with you here KR- Anyone who believes the White Race is quasi-human-or evolving into humans-or that the Universe is run by 24 Black Scientists and so on..and also said of the Jamaican Man's shooting rampage -where he went onto a subway and shot as many white people as he could until running out of ammo-when asked what they should have gave him(as in Prison sentence), Farrakhan replied '' A MEDAL''-his teachings are pure hatred.
    Here is LF playing music written by a WHITE JEWISH man.



    Louis Farrakhan - Biography
    "I am not the same man I was 35 years ago. And I hope that five years and ten years from now, I'll be a better man, a more mature man, a wiser man, a more humble man and a more spirited man to serve the good of my people and the good of humanity."
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    Please do not next say you are an admirer of Yahweh Ben Yahweh-the self proclaimed 'prophet''...
    Russ c'mon man pls dont try & put words in my mouth.

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    I suspect that Gov. Bentley and Mr. Farrakhan have something in common. Neither of them see me as a brother.

    R.I.P. Cyrano and Roxanne.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quinn14 View Post
    I only mentioned a crime because Rusty tried to equate a crime in there. I know it isn't a crime.

    But as far as not wanting to call non-christians his brothers, you are wrong. He ended his statement by saying "I want to be your brother". I guess he didn't know that other people would hear or read what he actually said and then make up their own version of it.

    I also disagree about not being governor when you walk into a church. Turn that thinking around. Does it mean you aren't a christian when you come out? Of course you are still a governor when you go into church and of course you are still a christian when you come out. But, can someone seperate the two, is the question. It seems to me that a lot of people on this thread cannot seperate the two. That, to me, is sad. It is a fundamental reason that our forefathers left to form this country. Now, people seem to think that if you are an elected official, suddenly you can't worship the way you want. I don't get it. He was not making a public speech. That IS the difference.
    The only one on this thread demonstrating a clear inability to separate the two is you quinn. When you are asked to come speak as the Governor of the State of Alabama, your words are going to be scrutinized, whether they are said in a church, in a library or in a lecture hall. The Governor now realizes that and has apologized for his faux pas just as he should have. I believe he has learned a lesson which it appears you are incapable or unwilling to learn yourself.

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