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    Quote Originally Posted by Spider View Post
    I'm not saying that he violated the separation of church and state. I'm just saying that when he is speaking as Governor of Alabama, no matter where he is or to whom he is speaking, it is very stupid and offensive to make a statment that questions the valdity of all religious beliefs except his. And why, if not because he is Governor of Alabama, was he the guest speaker? I understand all that "brother" doubletalk, but that doesn't excuse it. A governor should be smart enough to understand the implications of his words.
    That is exactly my point too spider, he was asked to speak because he was governor, therefore he is absolutely speaking as "Governor of Alabama" and as such he should speak in a manner befitting that position which he did not do. He has apologized now and I am certain he learned a thing or two from this situation. Hopefully he does not make the same mistake twice
    So are the two of you saying a Governor does not have "Freedom of Religion" or "Freedom of Speech"?!?
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line-height:115%; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;} </style> <![endif]--> You are absolutely right quinn, we definitely disagree. The governor realized that when he was speaking as the "Governor of Alabama" those kinds of divisive words are inappropriate and he should be commended for recognizing his error and apologizing for it. As long as he learned his lessons I believe most people will be able to let bygones be bygones.
    What lesson did you want him to learn? If you wanted him to learn the lesson that he shouldn't say what he feels, then you are right. He learned that lesson.

    If you were concerned about how he would govern, then no. He still feels the way he did two days ago. So if not being governed fair was the concern (which I thought it was) then it should still be a concern. If that wasn't the concern, then all of this is just stupid. He is allowed to believe in any religion he wants. If his appology is all that is needed to convince you that he will govern properly, then you probably weren't that concerened to begin with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quinn14 View Post
    What lesson did you want him to learn? If you wanted him to learn the lesson that he shouldn't say what he feels, then you are right. He learned that lesson.

    If you were concerned about how he would govern, then no. He still feels the way he did two days ago. So if not being governed fair was the concern (which I thought it was) then it should still be a concern. If that wasn't the concern, then all of this is just stupid. He is allowed to believe in any religion he wants. If his appology is all that is needed to convince you that he will govern properly, then you probably weren't that concerened to begin with.
    The lesson I expect him to have learned is that when you speak as the "Governor of the State of Alabama" you represent all the citizens of the state and should not use divisive language that indicates you feel some of your citizens are less worthy of consideration which is what he did. He must by necessity of his position, strive to represent the entire state, Christian, Muslim, Jew and Atheist, even Democrat and Republican. His apology tells me he is learning that that is indeed his roll now as the governor and he will at least make an effort to govern for ALL the people of the state, not just the Christian Republicans. There isn't much more a person can ask. He did real good by making the apology and I respect him for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhippetGrappler View Post
    So are the two of you saying a Governor does not have "Freedom of Religion" or "Freedom of Speech"?!?
    No he does not have, freedom to say whatever he wants as a public official. Believe me, I am a public servant and when I am speaking in my official capacity my freedom of speech is severely curtailed. Now when I go out simply as a citizen, and not in my official capacity I can say anything I want as can he. Because he was making the speech as the official "Governor of the State of Alabama" he could not just say anything he wished.

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    He has freedom to stick his foot in his mouth whenever he wants, and he took full advantage of it. It's not as if it's a firing offense, it just appears to be insensitive to the non-believers.

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    So, Sparky, it sounds to me that you are only concerened with what he says and not what he believes. That is legitimate and I respect that. I, however, would like a politician to say what he really believes so I know what I'm really voting for.

    But, if the majority of people think your way instead of mine, it does explain why we have the government we have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhippetGrappler View Post
    So are the two of you saying a Governor does not have "Freedom of Religion" or "Freedom of Speech"?!?
    Of course he does. He has the freedom to say whatever stupid, offensive things he wants to. We all are judged by what we say and do and by the decisions we make. He's no different. If you think it's okay for the governor of a state (even Alabama) to tell a large group of his constituents that he doesn't respect their religion (yes, that's the exact meaning of what he said), then you, too, have the right to say so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flop The Nuts View Post
    He has freedom to stick his foot in his mouth whenever he wants, and he took full advantage of it. It's not as if it's a firing offense, it just appears to be insensitive to the non-believers.
    Again, exactly my point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coachsparky View Post
    No he does not have, freedom to say whatever he wants as a public official. Believe me, I am a public servant and when I am speaking in my official capacity my freedom of speech is severely curtailed.
    Show me one article that says he was speaking AS A PUBLIC OFFICIAL as opposed to someone who happens to be a public official speaking inside a church. If you can do that, I will agree. Don't put your opinion into it. Just find one article from the people who invited him and/or were there that states that he was speaking AS THE GOVERNOR. Just because you are elected as governor does not mean you lose your right to speak as a child of God in a church. Remember, this was in a church not as a public speech.

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