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    Quote Originally Posted by quinn14 View Post
    On this we disagree. Let me know if you find this statement filled with hate or not.

    The white man is our mortal enemy, and we cannot accept him. I will fight to see that vicious beast go down into the lake of fire prepared for him from the beginning, that he never rise again to give any innocent black man, woman or child the hell that he has delighted in pouring on us for 400 years -- Louis Farrakhan, City College audience in New York
    I'm sure the MSM took that out of context. He was probably talking about how great white people are when he snuck that in, and then the media just focused on the hateful stuff. It's like he has a form of Tourette's syndrome where he shouts out racist things just by accident.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coachsparky View Post
    What makes you think he is a member of the congregation spider. I did not see that said anywhere?
    Whoops, you're right. Makes my point and yours even stronger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kr1963 View Post
    Farrakhan is not a proponent of hate. He is definitely a proponent of empowering African Americans.
    Gonna have to dis agree with you here KR- Anyone who believes the White Race is quasi-human-or evolving into humans-or that the Universe is run by 24 Black Scientists and so on..and also said of the Jamaican Man's shooting rampage -where he went onto a subway and shot as many white people as he could until running out of ammo-when asked what they should have gave him(as in Prison sentence), Farrakhan replied '' A MEDAL''-his teachings are pure hatred.
    Please do not next say you are an admirer of Yahweh Ben Yahweh-the self proclaimed 'prophet'' who used Govt. funds earmarked for construction of low income housing to start his own Mosque and set himself up as the head demanding tribute as well is not racist. This man made it a rule to become one of his disciples or members that they must KILL a white person and bring him WHITE persons ears as proof of loyalty. Upon his release from Prison for fraud and MURDER-the headlines -(actually a few paragraphs) read-Freedom Fighter released after incarceration for his views on religion .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spider View Post
    Whoops, you're right. Makes my point and yours even stronger.
    I have now read several articles about this situation. No, he was not a member of this church, but he is a member of another Montgomery Baptist Church. Therefore, it is his particular religion. The speach was given inside the church, which as I understand, is off limits to the state. Just like he can't bring religion to the governorship, the state can't intrude on church.

    I don't think the number of people who spoke really plays a factor. We sometimes have guest speakers at church, too. We give them the same respect as the preacher and I really doubt that anyone was trying to get up and speak in the first place. Was he asked to speak because he was governor? Probably. Was he speaking AS governor? Again, I think inside the church, they are separte. There are plenty of elected officials who are members of church and they seem to be able to seperate the two and I don't think this guy will have a problem either. But, I guess we'll soon find out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quinn14 View Post
    I have now read several articles about this situation. No, he was not a member of this church, but he is a member of another Montgomery Baptist Church. Therefore, it is his particular religion. The speach was given inside the church, which as I understand, is off limits to the state. Just like he can't bring religion to the governorship, the state can't intrude on church.

    I don't think the number of people who spoke really plays a factor. We sometimes have guest speakers at church, too. We give them the same respect as the preacher and I really doubt that anyone was trying to get up and speak in the first place. Was he asked to speak because he was governor? Probably. Was he speaking AS governor? Again, I think inside the church, they are separte. There are plenty of elected officials who are members of church and they seem to be able to seperate the two and I don't think this guy will have a problem either. But, I guess we'll soon find out.
    I'm not saying that he violated the separation of church and state. I'm just saying that when he is speaking as Governor of Alabama, no matter where he is or to whom he is speaking, it is very stupid and offensive to make a statment that questions the valdity of all religious beliefs except his. And why, if not because he is Governor of Alabama, was he the guest speaker? I understand all that "brother" doubletalk, but that doesn't excuse it. A governor should be smart enough to understand the implications of his words.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spider View Post
    I'm not saying that he violated the separation of church and state. I'm just saying that when he is speaking as Governor of Alabama, no matter where he is or to whom he is speaking, it is very stupid and offensive to make a statment that questions the valdity of all religious beliefs except his. And why, if not because he is Governor of Alabama, was he the guest speaker? I understand all that "brother" doubletalk, but that doesn't excuse it. A governor should be smart enough to understand the implications of his words.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spider View Post
    I'm not saying that he violated the separation of church and state. I'm just saying that when he is speaking as Governor of Alabama, no matter where he is or to whom he is speaking, it is very stupid and offensive to make a statment that questions the valdity of all religious beliefs except his. And why, if not because he is Governor of Alabama, was he the guest speaker? I understand all that "brother" doubletalk, but that doesn't excuse it. A governor should be smart enough to understand the implications of his words.
    That is exactly my point too spider, he was asked to speak because he was governor, therefore he is absolutely speaking as "Governor of Alabama" and as such he should speak in a manner befitting that position which he did not do. He has apologized now and I am certain he learned a thing or two from this situation. Hopefully he does not make the same mistake twice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coachsparky View Post
    That is exactly my point too spider, he was asked to speak because he was governor, therefore he is absolutely speaking as "Governor of Alabama" and as such he should speak in a manner befitting that position which he did not do. He has apologized now and I am certain he learned a thing or two from this situation. Hopefully he does not make the same mistake twice.
    Again, we disagree. But for different reasons, here. Let me explain.

    If I truly was offended by his statements, then that would be because I didn't think he would govern me the same way as others who didn't share his opinion. His appology, two days later, would seem like a lame attempt to sway my opinion. If I felt that he was offensive when he said it, I would think his appology was bogus.

    So, IMHO, he should have stuck to his first statement or never had said it to begin with. Now, he just sounds like a politician, instead of a human being. Personally, I would rather have a politician stand up for what they believe in, whether I agree or not, instead of backing down to public scrutiny. There is some congressman in New Hampshire or Vermont who publicly says he is a socialist. I don't agree with it, but at least he is honest.

    This appology, IMO, was not honest. I don't think he changed his beliefs in two days. And, from what I gathered, people were mad at his beliefs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quinn14 View Post
    Again, we disagree. But for different reasons, here. Let me explain.

    If I truly was offended by his statements, then that would be because I didn't think he would govern me the same way as others who didn't share his opinion. His appology, two days later, would seem like a lame attempt to sway my opinion. If I felt that he was offensive when he said it, I would think his appology was bogus.

    So, IMHO, he should have stuck to his first statement or never had said it to begin with. Now, he just sounds like a politician, instead of a human being. Personally, I would rather have a politician stand up for what they believe in, whether I agree or not, instead of backing down to public scrutiny. There is some congressman in New Hampshire or Vermont who publicly says he is a socialist. I don't agree with it, but at least he is honest.

    This appology, IMO, was not honest. I don't think he changed his beliefs in two days. And, from what I gathered, people were mad at his beliefs.

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line-height:115%; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;} </style> <![endif]--> You are absolutely right quinn, we definitely disagree. The governor realized that when he was speaking as the "Governor of Alabama" those kinds of divisive words are inappropriate and he should be commended for recognizing his error and apologizing for it. As long as he learned his lessons I believe most people will be able to let bygones be bygones.

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