Actually quinn, there are many many many more humble honest scientist then there are money grabbing scientist in the world. Those kinds do not even approach 5 % of the total scientific community. When scientist say something is settled science, it is because an overwhelming amount of the data backs up the hypothesis and therefore it has become a well established theory, like evolution. Much like Newton's Laws of Physics, which we know do describe the observable phenomena, it was overcome by a better theory, even though it was never shown to be totally wrong.
Last edited by coachsparky; 01-10-2011 at 11:15 AM.
You should watch the movie, no intelligence. It deals with scientists who do not believe that evolution is the answer to the origin of life and how they were black balled for merely suggesting intelligent design, not a religious god but intelligent design. The movie has well known scientist giving the other side for evolution.
And read about all the lies, misleading information and complete fabrication and misrepresentations that occured in the move Expelled, No Intelligence Allowed. There certainly was no intelligence used in the making of the movie and no intelligence involved in anyone who buys any of their lies.
Spider, you do not indicate what in my quote you do not agree with. You are talking about something completely different then what I am trying to get at. Yes, if you are willing to accept that there is a supernatural world that science can never identify, you are right. I reject that claim, there is no supernatural world, there is only this world and what people refer to as spirit, and believe is supernatural, is no more than some form of energy within the natural world that we just have not identified at this point. <o></o>
Religion, is currently given a pass on proving that because we say that we believe in those things based on “faith” and I accept that right now. That is why my beliefs in a energy source that is distinct from observable energies and matter right now is part of a faith belief for me. Likewise, the discussion with KR and his practice of his religion scientology and dianectics was the same, he practices it based upon his faith. <o></o>
When people cross the line and claim they can prove their religious beliefs they cross the line into being able to claim a pass from scrutiny, at that point they must be held up to scientific standards of proof. That is where I see the conflict, when people like Creation Scientist or Dianetics/Scientology try to claim they are using science they have to meet the standards of the scientific community and if they fail, then pointing out their mistakes is not an attack, it is simply good science.<o></o>
I do not believe there is a metaphysical world so all of that talk to mean really has little meaning.<o></o>
Last edited by coachsparky; 01-11-2011 at 08:15 AM.
I don't believe in a metaphysical world, God, or even the spiritual force that you believe in. I do believe that religion has its place as long as it minds its own business. If people choose to believe in a spiritual being that can never be demonstrated to exist or not exist, and it gives comfort and purpose to their lives, that's up to them. I feel that they are deluding themselves; they feel that I'm missing out on a great opportunity. Each to his own.
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I was and do include doctors and pharmacists in when I say that a lot of "scientists" are just in it for the money and are taking payoffs and things. A lot of people would be out of a job if there were cures or preventions for many diseases and illnesses. But, if you are leaving them out, then I appologize for misunderstanding this thread.
But I would expect the number to be pretty close for those professions too. I am not that big of a conspiracy theorist to think that there are many scientist willing to falsify information that could save lives. I have too much faith in the goodness of human kind to be that kind of nut case.