Discuss Imus dosen't deserve the harrassement at the Politics & Religion within the Wrestling Talk Forums; Originally Posted by matclone
Oh Please. Stop with the "whites are victims of racism" spiel. ...
So you're saying whites can't be nappy headed? Isn't that racism right there? I don't think he was insulting black or white women, but just the rutgers women's team which consists of both black and white women. Imus didn't have racism in mind.
Originally Posted by matclone
So you're saying whites can't be nappy headed?
I've never heard the term applied to a white person.
Isn't that racism right there?
No. A critical element of racism is it's expression of a superior-inferior relationship based on race. If I point out to you that my hair is straight, and yours is kinky, and we happen to be of a different color of skin, but I point out this difference only out of curiosity, it is not racism. If, on the other hand, I say it to disparage you, and I'm of an economic and socially dominant race, then it's racism.
I don't think he was insulting black or white women, but just the rutgers women's team which consists of both black and white women. Imus didn't have racism in mind.
Talk radio is all about appealing to notions of race. I doubt you can find a single show on a single day that does not talk about race. If you want to pretend otherwise, well, we'll just have to disagree.
Last edited by matclone; 04-10-2007 at 06:35 PM.
Why wasn't Trump criticized when he said Rosie had fat ass and stuff?
Because that, was an accurate description. Imus' classification of the RU girls was not.
Originally Posted by Big
Rutgers basketball girls are rough looking and they have tattoos. He was right about that. Maybe imus feels they look like he would imagine a ho to look. I don't know. whatever. LOL.
"and I'm of an economic and socially dominant race, then it's racism."
So by this I'm to assume that only the socially and economically dominant race can be racist? Come on clone......so you're saying that minorities can't be racist?
BTW, the term nappy headed is in reference to fuzzy or kinky hair. I have a jewish friend who has the type of hair that could be called nappy. Actually one could say that Ben Askren is pretty nappy headed.
Well this conversation has played out as expected. As soon as I flipped on my radio there was Rush Limbaugh going on about people being offended. I wish WTAM didn't have our sports teams on contract or I'd never have to worry about which station I'm tuned into. I switched the channel sure in the knowledge that the Rushter was in the process of defending Imus or at least attacking the people who were attacking Imus.
I am a believer that people can choose to get offended or are trained to be offended. That doesn't necessarily make it a BAD thing but it's not likely to be a productive discussion either way. The fact is that his comments served as a reminder of darker times.
The talk of people being offended quite misses the point in my opinion. In my view Imus was betraying his real attitudes. And was demonstrating that he engages in stereotyping. I don't believe this was a preplanned stunt for publicity purposes. If it was then he is pretty sick.
It really sounded to me like white good ole boys locker room talk.
Apologies are not needed unless accompanied by some serious soul searching.
Why is it acceptable for rappers (which are mostly black) to verbaly rape and demean women? Why no backlash from the Black community for that.
As I mentioned before, the difference is the context and history. Who is saying what about whom? What is their present and their historical relationship? Remove the context, and it's easy to explain away, or villify, just about any statement.
So the historical relationship between the Black man and the Black woman is on of the women being *****es, ho's, tricks, chicken heads, and worthless. Thats funny because everytime I hear a Black man or women talk about black women they always say how strong they are and how they hold the community or family together. So rappers represent the tru nature of how black men feel about black women and its alright for them to say it because of the historical context. So by that logic and going of the historical context I can call a black person whatever the hell I please because its the historical relationship that our cultures have and everyone should be fine with that.
One last thing, if the majority of the Black community were outraged by the content in rap music then they would buy the cd's and the rappers would be forced to change their lyric.
Why is it acceptable for rappers (which are mostly black) to verbaly rape and demean women?
So rappers represent the tru nature of how black men feel about black women and its alright for them to say it because of the historical context.
As I thought I said before, it's not acceptable. Moreover, rappers are not the issue here. The comments of Imus are.
Last edited by matclone; 04-11-2007 at 09:42 AM.
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