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    I don't know any Islamic suicide bombers personally so I can say for sure, but I'd bet the vast majority of them believe they will be greatly rewarded in the afterlife for killing other humans.

    Also, I can't think of any other religion where his phenomenon is a currently major issue.

    To get back to my original point of the thread, I believe that this phenomenon is much bigger than most Americans care to believe.

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    What the Koran says and what is taught about what the Koran says can be two different things. It has happened through out history that leaders manipulate religious text to achieve a personal goal or have a personal moral conviction upheld. See the Crusades for proof or the witch trials. It is possible that these suicide bombers are going off of bad info given to them by religious leaders. The Koran could preach nothing put peace and love but if manipulated and taken out of context could be used to provoke these acts.

    I am not justifying these horrid acts just like I don't defend what the Christian church did. But it is possible and we should take that into account.

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    I haven't read the Quaran, I tried once but I found it boring. Does anyone know the specific verses that are used to justify suicide bombings?

    Self-martyrdom (in pursuit or a goal or in hope of heavenly rewards) is found in several religions. Killing others in the name of religous is all too common. Islamic fundamentalists have found a way to combine the two... and, like Ground and Pound says, I'm not aware of other religous traditions where this occurs regularly (I thought of the kamikazes as well.)

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    I just wanted to point out that kamikazes targeted enemy soldiers while Islamic suicide bombers target civilians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ground&Pound View Post
    I just wanted to point out that kamikazes targeted enemy soldiers while Islamic suicide bombers target civilians.
    Agreed; I'd consider a kamikaze attack on a millitary target a legitimate (if distaceful) tactic.


    This is going of on a tangent, but playing "Call of Duty" over the Christmas break got me thinking about soldiers who have to do missons that are almost certain to end in death (First one over the trench, first one around the corner of an occupied building, first guy climbing a ladder during a medieval siege, etc). I wonder how millitary leader choose the soldiers to be "sacrificed" and how soldiers are psychologically prepared for such events. It's one thing to fight for your country, but knowing full well that you were going to die would be tough... perhaps some people with millitary experience have thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by arm-spin View Post
    Agreed; I'd consider a kamikaze attack on a millitary target a legitimate (if distaceful) tactic.


    This is going of on a tangent, but playing "Call of Duty" over the Christmas break got me thinking about soldiers who have to do missons that are almost certain to end in death (First one over the trench, first one around the corner of an occupied building, first guy climbing a ladder during a medieval siege, etc). I wonder how millitary leader choose the soldiers to be "sacrificed" and how soldiers are psychologically prepared for such events. It's one thing to fight for your country, but knowing full well that you were going to die would be tough... perhaps some people with millitary experience have thoughts?
    any person who joins the military come to grips with the fact that they may die. otherwise they wouldve never joined.

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    I get what you're saying B EAZEE, but it seems to me there's a differince between risking your life and knowing for certain you're going to lose it. I mean, I've risked death for the sheer thrill of it (rock climbing, etc) but I would have a real hard time doing something I knew for sure would kill me.

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    Here is a very interesting excerpt from a book by Sam Harris...


    The young man boards the bus as it leaves the terminal. He wears an overcoat. Beneath his overcoat, he is wearing a bomb. His pockets are filled with nails, ball bearings, and rat poison. The bus is crowded and headed for the heart of the city.

    The young man takes his seat beside a middle-aged couple. He will wait for the bus to reach its next stop. The couple at his side appears to be shopping for a new refrigerator. The woman has decided on a model, but her husband worries that it will be too expensive. He indicates another one in a brochure that lies open on her lap. The next stop comes into view. The bus doors swing. The woman observes that the model her husband has selected will not fit in the space underneath their cabinets. New passengers have taken the last remaining seats and begun gathering in the aisle. The bus is now full. The young man smiles. With the press of a button he destroys himself, the couple at his side, and twenty others on the bus. The nails, ball bearings, and rat poison ensure further casualties on the street and in the surrounding cars. All has gone according to plan.

    The young man's parents soon learn of his fate. Although saddened to have lost a son, they feel tremendous pride at his accomplishment. They know that he has gone to heaven and prepared the way for them to follow. He has also sent his victims to hell for eternity. It is a double victory. The neighbors find the event a great cause for celebration and honor the young man's parents by giving them gifts of food and money.

    These are the facts. This is all we know for certain about the young man. Is there anything else that we can infer about him on the basis of his behavior? Was he popular in school? Was he rich or was he poor? Was he of low or high intelligence? His actions leave no clue at all. Did he have a college education? Did he have a bright future as a mechanical engineer? His behavior is simply mute on questions of this sort, and hundreds like them. Why is it so easy, then, so trivially easy "you-could-almost-bet-your-life-on-it easy? to guess the young man's religion?


    http://www.samharris.org/site/book_end_of_faith

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