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    Yes, please list the attacks by Islamic Extremists.

    To try and combat Islamic terrorists, it is neccesary to understand them. A terrorist might be motivated by "warped religions beliefs", but to what extent do we understand those beliefs? To what extend do world leaders understand why suicide bombers and the like do what they do? Why do people "kill and die trying"? The reasons for becoming a terrorist are probably varied and include political views, personal vengeance and other reasons as well as religious beliefs. (Bear in mind that martyrdom is not the only way to get heavenly rewards in Islam; some Muslims believe that suicide bombings and the like are a ticket to hell, not heaven. The Muslim faith does not automatically support suicidal terrorism. In fact, like other religions, is generally discourages killing people).

    Until world leaders understand Muslim beliefs, both those of the extremists and more moderate Mulsims, they will be handicapped when trying to fight extremists.

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    Here is a partial list from a PBS website. I'd consider them a neutral source.
    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...cial/cron.html

    If you want more, search for Islamic terrorism and you'll find volumes.
    Or just remember back; London subway bombings, Madrid Spain, Russian school massacre, foiled bombing in Toronto.



    Of course, most Muslims are not terrorist or have extremists views.

    That is not my point.

    My point is that too many of us (Americans) live in ignorant bliss when it comes to the threat that Islamic extremists pose. It is easy to clear our consciences and blame all the world's ills on Bush. The fact is that there are people in this world that want to harm you and me regardless of George W Bush. Their desires will not go away when he leaves office.

    I'm not suggesting we persecute all Muslims, but I think we need to be diligent and aware that an extremist version of Islam exists and is potentially dangerous.

    They got us once when we weren't looking on 9/11, shame on us if they get us again.

    Here is a good article that is currently Yahoo's headline:
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081130/...ndia_shootings

    Here are a few quotes...

    "I think that Muslims should raise their voice against such actions. They should forge a coalition to fight such phenomena, because it harms them and damages their image," said Ali Abdel Muhsen, 22, a Muslim engineering student in the West Bank city of Nablus.

    Muslims and Arabs must confront the violence "that is taking place in our name and in the name of our (Islamic) tenets," wrote Khaled al-Jenfawi, a columnist for Kuwait's Al-Seyassah daily.

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    What does invading Iraq have to do with battling Islamic extremists?
    Saddam was a murderous despot, but was only nomially Muslim and was an enemy to Islamic Extremists because he did not want any other orgainzed power in his country.

    I think many Americans were too willing to tie Saddam with Islamic Extremists because they understand so little about the region and were willing to make ties were none existed.

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    I'm not saying I agree with this, but my opinion is that we invaded Iraq to gain a foothold in the region.

    At the time (post 9/11), the US and most of the free world were galvanized in an effort to get the people responsible for 9/11 and bring a sense of security to the world.

    Fuses were short and we weren't about to take crap from anyone.

    Saddam was the weak link in the Middle East. He brought instability to the region. Plus, his sons were gaining more and more power and nobody wanted them to someday take over.

    Saddam was either a pawn or just plain stupid enough to jerk around the UN inspectors enough to give us (and 40+ other countries) a perceived cause to invade. (This is when the US Senate, including many Democrats ie. Hilary, gave Bush the OK for the invasion.)

    This also allowed our allies (Saudi Arabia) to save face for letting westerns to use force in an Arab land.

    So, we ousted Saddam and set up a peaceful and stable government that is friendly to the west and is a model for democracy in the Middle East.

    Well, that was the plan, anyway.

    As we all know, the ousting of Saddam went as planned, but the insurgence was much stronger than expected. The extremists do not want us or our influence there, so they are doing everything they can to disrupt the peace.

    So what does this have to do with Islamic extremists?

    It all centers around Iran.

    Our new version of Iraq gives us a much better view of Iran, the Axis of Evil.

    Since the 1979 Islamic Revolution, Iran has been a source of Islamic extremist.

    That's the link.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ground&Pound View Post
    I'm not the crazy for suggesting "this international coalition of Muslim extremists", as you put it, exists. If anything, you're the crazy one for refusing to recognize it.
    Not sure how you thought that I called you crazy for anything. Sorry that you inferred that.

    As for me being "crazy" for my refusal to buy the things put forth in this thread? Oh, well, that wouldn't be new. I've been "crazy" a lot in the past eight years. Here's but a snapshot of how many times that I've been "crazy."
    • I opposed the Iraq and Afghanistan wars from day one.
    • I refused to accept the rationales given for the above mentioned wars.
    • That 9-11 and Saddam Hussein were connected.
    • That Saddam Hussein and al Qeida were connected.
    • That Saddam Hussein was a global threat.
    • That we have evidence of WMD's.
    • That we have found WMD's.
    • That the world also believed that Iraq had WMD's.
    Call me wacky, call me kooky, or call me crazy...I'm perfectly used to it, and darn, do I sleep well at night knowing that I'm batty as hell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arm-spin View Post

    Until world leaders understand Muslim beliefs, both those of the extremists and more moderate Mulsims, they will be handicapped when trying to fight extremists.
    What makes you think world leaders don't understand Muslims beliefs, moderate vs. extreme, by this time?

    Isn't it possible to thoroughly understand where the "extremists" are coming from, and still find that they must be opposed, vigorously and completely?
    DSCH: a Soviet artist's reply to unjust criticism.

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    "Here are a few quotes...

    "I think that Muslims should raise their voice against such actions. They should forge a coalition to fight such phenomena, because it harms them and damages their image," said Ali Abdel Muhsen, 22, a Muslim engineering student in the West Bank city of Nablus.

    Muslims and Arabs must confront the violence "that is taking place in our name and in the name of our (Islamic) tenets," wrote Khaled al-Jenfawi, a columnist for Kuwait's Al-Seyassah daily."

    Blah, blah, blah. We've been reading these types of comments for over ten years now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LkwdSteve View Post
    What makes you think world leaders don't understand Muslims beliefs, moderate vs. extreme, by this time?

    Isn't it possible to thoroughly understand where the "extremists" are coming from, and still find that they must be opposed, vigorously and completely?

    Of course it's possible- in fact, I would say it's necessary. and I guess I'm not really sure how much world leaders know about Islam. I just never got the idea that, say, George Bush, showed much interest in understanding why Islamic terrorism occured. How many Muslims or experts on religion work for the government? Hopefully I am wrong and the government is doing all they can, both millitarily and otherwise. I don't mean to sound like I'm defending Islamic terrorism in any way, I just wish I understoood it more completely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arm-spin View Post
    I don't mean to sound like I'm defending Islamic terrorism in any way, I just wish I understoood it more completely.
    Maybe it's difficult to understand because you are trying to use logic and reason.

    This people make their decisions on faith and extreme interpretations of ancient religious texts.

    You can't reason with and unreasonable person.

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    I've said this before here.

    The extremists remind me of the Amish.

    They both have their narrow mind beliefs and reject the outside world.

    However, the Amish tolerate others while Islamic extremists want the rest of the world to join them or die.

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