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  1. #10

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    Who is "not admitting there is a problem" with Islamic extremism? Most people I know (and most media I watch) admit that Islamic terrorism is real, and is bad.

  2. #11

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    I'm willing to bet that a poll would show that most Americans would see no relation between the Mumbia attacks and our involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    Heck, many people refuse to admit a connection between Iraq and Afghanistan.

    They are all connected.

    In my opinion, we should view all of these events (9/11, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc) as a worldwide conflict with Islamic fascism.

  3. #12

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    According to the BBC at least, Indian officials aren't yet sure who is responsible for the Mumbai attacks. If Islamic terrorists ARE responsible, how do you suggest they are connected? It certainly doesn't seem like an Anti-American attack since the BBC doesn't mention a single American death.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7756068.stm

    On a side note, I was in India a couple of years ago, I stayed near the Taj Mahal Hotel, and I walked through many of the areas where the terrorist attacks occured. It creeped me right out reading about it on the news. This is going to be a huge blow to the Indian tourist industry (not to mention the immediate damage done).

  4. #13

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    Islamic extremist in general (and the Iranian government in specific) refer to the United States as "the Great Satan" and consider Israel an extension.

    The reports that I read concerning Mumbai say westerners were specifically targeted and that a Jewish center was one of the targets.

    There is no doubt this was a typical Islamic based terrorist attack against a western friendly target.

    These extremists want nothing more than to die as a martyr in a holy jihad against the Great Satan. The terrorists killed in Mumbia will be seen as heroes in there warped religious circles and their families are probably very proud that their sons have died for the cause. In some places the put the faces of "martyrs" on billboards as a tribute.

    They want to hasten a great holy war so that Allah will return sooner.

    This attack is probably an attempt to escalate India's conflict with Muslims in Kashmir or to increase tension with Pakistan. Again, this means more opportunity for martyrdom.

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    As for the article you posted, it supports my claim that the media is reluctant to place blame on radical Muslims.

    The article repeatedly uses names like terrorists, gunmen, assailants, militants and attackers, but NEVER uses the word Islamic or Muslims. Only at the end they say a group claimed responsibility and their name is Deccan Mujahideen. (obviously Islamic based)

    This article perfectly illustrates the original point of this post.

  5. #14

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    A quote from the most recent news release.

    "Nine of the gunmen were killed. A tenth caught alive told interrogators they wanted to be remembered for an Indian version of the September 11, 2001, attacks on the United States, Times Now TV said, quoting an unidentified Defense Ministry official. "
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081129/...vCyTngCyr9xg8F

  6. #15

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ground&Pound View Post
    A quote from the most recent news release.

    "Nine of the gunmen were killed. A tenth caught alive told interrogators they wanted to be remembered for an Indian version of the September 11, 2001, attacks on the United States, Times Now TV said, quoting an unidentified Defense Ministry official. "
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081129/...vCyTngCyr9xg8F
    I think that the best description that I saw for it was that it was India's Oklahoma City, not 9-11. This was because the people who did it were all home grown Indians and not foreigners.
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  7. #16

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    You have to open your mind beyond national boundaries to see the scope of the issue.

    The men responsible for this attack share a strong "spiritual" tie with Islamic fascists worldwide. They share a common enemy in the US and Israel...a common motive.

    The motives behind Mumbai and OKC are completely different.

    The motive in 9/11, Mumbai and so many other acts of violence worldwide are all the same...kill and dying trying in the name of a religion.

    I really don't think Timothy McVeigh expected to live in paradise with 72 virgins for killing innocent people.

    This was a religious based attack (Islamic). Period

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    These people are not oppressed freedom fighters. They are violent religious zealots.

    I challenge anyone to research Islamic terrorists groups and give a justified or even logical reason for their violence that doesn't involve warped religious beliefs.
    Last edited by Ground&Pound; 11-30-2008 at 11:57 AM.

  8. #17

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ground&Pound View Post
    You have to open your mind beyond national boundaries to see the scope of the issue.

    The men responsible for this attack share a strong "spiritual" tie with Islamic fascists worldwide. They share a common enemy in the US and Israel...a common motive.

    The motives behind Mumbai and OKC are completely different.

    The motive in 9/11, Mumbai and so many other acts of violence worldwide are all the same...kill and dying trying in the name of a religion.

    I really don't think Timothy McVeigh expected to live in paradise with 72 virgins for killing innocent people.

    This was a religious based attack (Islamic). Period

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    These people are not oppressed freedom fighters. They are violent religious zealots.

    I challenge anyone to research Islamic terrorists groups and give a justified or even logical reason for their violence that doesn't involve warped religious beliefs.
    National vs. international. That is all the distinction that was being referred to in my post.

    So, does this guy (Paul Hill) belong to this international coalition of Muslim extremists? http://www.rickross.com/reference/a-...abortion7.html
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  9. #18

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    Of course the guy mentioned isn't an Islamic extremist. He is a Christian extremist.

    However, on a global scale, Islamic extremist based violence by far supersedes any other group.

    I will list all the Islamic extremist terror attacks worldwide in recent times if you'd like.

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    I'm not the crazy for suggesting "this international coalition of Muslim extremists", as you put it, exists. If anything, you're the crazy one for refusing to recognize it.

    The real question isn't if there is an Islamic extremist movement, but to what extent do they pose a threat.

    Do they threat warrant military action, diplomatic pressure, special forces type missions?

    This is the real question that the world leaders (including Obama) wrestle with.

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