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    I believe that they should be. They were a party to stealing information and releasing it for the express purpose of hurting the united states and its allies. Therfore I hope they get that guy.

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    Just for the sake of discussion, er, DEBATE, do you feel the same way about Woodward & Bernstein, who uncovered and exposed governmental secrets (Watergate and the associated cover-ups) with the intention of hurting the existing United States government leaders?

    Who decides where the line between the government's need for secrecy and the public's right to know lies?
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    Journalist uncovering corruption is a legal part of our government, it is fine and they should do that. During WWII I am sure that the new media found a lot of stuff they did not publish in order to protect the men serving and they have done so in wars since.

    Asange in my eyes is not a journalist and not protected as a journalist would be. He should be viewed as a foreign combatant who not only wants to hurt the U.S but wants it to be destroyed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UGLY View Post
    Journalist uncovering corruption is a legal part of our government, it is fine and they should do that. During WWII I am sure that the new media found a lot of stuff they did not publish in order to protect the men serving and they have done so in wars since.

    Asange in my eyes is not a journalist and not protected as a journalist would be. He should be viewed as a foreign combatant who not only wants to hurt the U.S but wants it to be destroyed.
    Isn't the definition of journalism much broader these days, and is it only protected when exposing corruption, and who decides what is legal for the government to do and what is corrupt if it hasn't even been exposed yet?
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    RepRonPaul - Re: Wikileaks-
    In a free society, we are supposed to know the truth. In a society where truth becomes treason, we are in big trouble.
    If what you were saying were true Ugly I might agree with you but this "war" is costing US taxpayers 275 million dollars per day & those were figures back in 2005. Someone is making a lot of money from this war & keeping you in fear is a way to continue to line their pockets. It has lasted longer then WWII & no one says anything.

    During the Vietnam War, the media brought us the horrors of war to our living rooms & this was enough to get the American public outraged that our government was partaking in such activities.

    Now the media is blacked out of this "war." We don't see the truth because the government decides what we should see. It has already been documented that we created our own "enemies" here. But no one cares enough to do anything about it. Some of us believed Obama when he said he would get us out of Iraq, (I was NOT one of them & in fact I told Obama supporters that if we did leave Iraq we would end up expanding the war somewhere else & WE HAVE.)

    This is a case right out of 1984. Orwell's prediction of a war that never ends has come true. We were in Vietnam for 15 years. I don't see this war being any different.

    I have to agree with Spider. Often the government's security & national secrets are just there to cover someone's ass who is doing something illegal or making a lot of money or both. Like the Iran-contra scandal where the government was dealing drugs to arm anti-communist rebels & justifying it all the way to the freedom loving bank.

    Funny how when Bush outed that spy reporter many on the right justified that but are condemning this.

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    So I would assume then in the spirit of truth that if classified information about an operation had been leaked and 100 U.S soldiers were killed leaking the information and giving to the enemy would be alright.

    In WWII the Chicago times found out that the U.S had broken japans codes and published the story stating it had. The U.S filed charges against the Chicago times but while in court they noticed that Japan had not yet changed their codes and did not know the U.S had that info, so they dropped the case to get it out of the public eye. The ability to break codes and know the enemies plans is vital and the success and safety of missions depends on it. The judge in the case letter said if the U.S had continued the case he would have ruled against the times under the espionage act.

    So while we the people have the right to somethings we dont have the right to know everything because that knowledge could harm our nation. We have to be resonable about it.

    Assange is not a journalist that resides in the united states he is a foreigner. He has the right to say whatever he wants about America but I have to draw the line at releasing information that could put our country in danger or our troops.

    If Assange revealed some grand consiracy like watergate then that would be different. He did no such thing. Lets also remember that the PVT who secured the information for him is going to be severely punished in all likely hood.

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    I have not read anything posted on wikileaks, but I would like to think that if anything on there causes American casualties, then the dude should be prosecuted. Battle plans, locations and what-nots should not be posted.

    As a former journalist, I know that anything said "off the record" is supposed to be protected. Again, I don't know all the details, but I don't think Assange interviewed anyone. He simply obtained information illegally and then released it to the public. That is against the law, as far as I understand.

    Woodword and Bernstein were acting upon information given to them and then released that info without anyone knowing whether it were true or not. Their source was protected. That prompted an investigation which led to the discovery that this info was true. Had they illegally obtained that information (recorded tapes and conversations) then they too would have violated the law. That is what Assange did and I think that is the difference.

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    Actually NO as the supposed DEEP THROAT that W & B got their data from was covered by the same Espionage Act so their source was breaking the law. Did W & B know that? Maybe, maybe not but as the LAW says, "not knowing, is NO excuse."

    If illegal acts are being labeled TOP SECRET as they were in the Iran-contra scandal, then that "security breach" should have never been given security clearance in the 1st place. That's why people use "security clearance" as a way to CYA & hide activities that also might not be illegal but would create a genuine & severe PR-flap.

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