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    Quote Originally Posted by coachsparky View Post
    This guy, who happens to be a Christian, gets that that story is a myth, I have never heard anyone deny it. Even Christians, know there is no justification for celebrating Christmas at this time of year other then they wanted it to match the Solstice. And there are contradictory stories, was he born in Nazareth or Bethlehem for instance. Almost ALL learned Christian's will concede all that.
    Please tell me who said that. I have never heard any learned Christian say anything to that affect and I have heard many learned Christians and read many books by learned Christians. Find me a quote from C.S. Lewis or Billy Graham, Oral Roberts, or even John The Baptist where they state the story is myth.

    I certainly dont say that it is a myth and I can tell you why we celebrate the holiday this time of year and it has nothing to do with solstice or anything like that, it has everything to do with bringing people around to your belief.

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    Please tell me who said that. I have never heard any learned Christian say anything to that affect and I have heard many learned Christians and read many books by learned Christians. Find me a quote from C.S. Lewis or Billy Graham, Oral Roberts, or even John The Baptist where they state the story is myth.

    I certainly dont say that it is a myth and I can tell you why we celebrate the holiday this time of year and it has nothing to do with solstice or anything like that, it has everything to do with bringing people around to your belief.
    Odd that you have not heard that before UGLY, nearly every liberal/progressive Christian theologian is in aggreement (and liberal Christian outnumber conservative 6-4). But if all you listen to are conservative fundamentalist theologians then I can understand why you would not have heard this.

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    Among many liberal theologians, many (if not most) components of the stories should be regarded as myth. There are many elements in the Gospels relating to Jesus' birth which they believe did not happen.


    http://www.religioustolerance.org/xmas_lib.htm
    This essay was contributed by R.C. Symes. It analyzes the Bible as a historical document written by fallible authors. The analysis differs from that of conservative Christians, who start with the belief that the Bible is inerrant (free of errors), and inspired by God.

    During the celebration of Christmas, familiar images are recalled in hymns and scripture about the birth of Jesus. In the popular mind, the appearance of herald angels, shepherds abiding in the fields, the star of Bethlehem, the virgin Mary giving birth in a stable, and the adoration of the Magi, have all been melded into one Christmas story. In reality, there are in the gospels, two distinct and at times contradictory stories of Jesus' birth. A careful reading of the Bible itself reveals that so much about this celebrated birth is myth.

    Dating December 25 as the birthday of Jesus, is known to have gained popularity only by the mid-fourth century in order that Christians could have an alternative to a popular pagan festival at this time of year. December 25 was the winter solstice according to the old Julian calendar, and it was on that day that Mithraism, a chief rival to Christianity, celebrated the birth of the god, Mithra. It is unlikely that we shall ever know exactly when Jesus was born (scholars estimate sometime between 12 and 4 B.C.) or the real circumstances surrounding his nativity. We can, however, attempt to separate historical fact from literary fiction.
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    The only thing I am getting from this thread is that Spider is proclaimed atheist who is secretly a christian & spark is the opposite...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kr1963 View Post
    The only thing I am getting from this thread is that Spider is proclaimed atheist who is secretly a christian & spark is the opposite...
    This is great

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    Quote Originally Posted by kr1963 View Post
    The only thing I am getting from this thread is that Spider is proclaimed atheist who is secretly a christian & spark is the opposite...
    If that was a joke, ha, ha.

    If it wasn't, I was raised Jewish and observed the religion well into my teens, but logic and observations got me doubting the validity of organized religion at a young age, and eventually, any religion. I am no more a Christian than I am a Buddhist, Muslim, Jew or anything else, but the same logic that led me to deny God's existence also tells me that I could be wrong and the believers could be right, overabundance of evidence to the contrary notwithstanding.
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    Sparky that web site is from a multi faith organization not a christian site. Give me a legit Christian group that says that. Show me in the bible where one of the apostles says that the story is a myth? No real Christian group says that it is a myth and you cant show one who does.

    This is from the site you referenced

    Christians follow the teachings of, and about, Yeshua of Nazareth, commonly referred to as Jesus Christ. (Jesus is the Greek form of Yeshua which is normally translated as Joshua; Christ is Greek for "the Messiah" or the "anointed one.") Yeshua was a Jewish itinerant preacher who was born probably between 7 and 4 BCE, probably in the Fall. He was executed by the Roman occupying authorities in Palestine, perhaps on a Friday, in the spring of the year 30 CE (e.g. 0030-APR-7). Estimates of the year range over about a five year interval from the late 20s to the early 30s. Most Christians regard him as the son of God. They further believe that he is God, the second person in the Trinity. (The Trinity within Christianity consists of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit; three separate persons, all eternal, all omnipresent, all omnipotent, all omnibeneficient, who form a single, unified deity.) Most Christians believe that Jesus co-existed with God before the creation of the world, was born of a virgin, was bodily resurrected about a day and a half after his death, and later ascended to Heaven. Most conservative Protestants believe that Hell awaits anyone who has not repented of their sins and trusted Jesus as Lord and Savior.

    Why do they keep saying most, meaning more than, is there some mistake here.

    I think that you are missing the point of the entire religion..

    As far as the reason we celebrate this time of year you are correct the Christian movement took over the pagan holiday because it is easier to eliminate the other belief if you celebrate on there holiday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spider View Post
    If that was a joke, ha, ha.

    If it wasn't, I was raised Jewish and observed the religion well into my teens, but logic and observations got me doubting the validity of organized religion at a young age, and eventually, any religion. I am no more a Christian than I am a Buddhist, Muslim, Jew or anything else, but the same logic that led me to deny God's existence also tells me that I could be wrong and the believers could be right, overabundance of evidence to the contrary notwithstanding.
    I was joking but then again...not really...

    I personally hope that one day you have an experience that changes that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kr1963 View Post
    I personally hope that one day you have an experience that changes that...
    I thank you for your good wishes, but it hasn't happened in almost sixty-three years.
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    I thank you for your good wishes, but it hasn't happened in almost sixty-three years.
    That's almost half of your life!

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