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    Sunny Day! New Chapter on Climate Change (President Obama)

    President-elect Obama recorded a message for the Global Climate Summit, promising "a new chapter of American leadership on climate change."

    President Obama is promising to make drastic changes to save our environment and is calling for help from all leaders across the world

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    A New Chapter on Climate Change



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    What is really interesting is that you now have a scientific group in one part of the world that says we are headed toward a ice age that is been hastened by a decrease in green house gasses. People really need to start looking back into history and realize that the climate change that is happening on this planet is not our fault. We may not have helped any in the past hundred years, but we have certainly not caused the cycles that have occurred ever 25-30 years for hundreds of years.

    More important in my mind is the problem of pollution. Pollution is something we can do something about and is being completely ignored in face of the climate change Chicken Little's screaming " The End Is Near "

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    I think he is mixing several topics, climate change and clean energy and energy independence. The US should be independent and try to have as clean, from a pollution standpoint, energy as possible. And NOOOO CO2 is not a pollutant, its a friggin molecule put off by plants and the ocean, the ocean is the biggest emitter of CO2 in the world. Why not ban methane? Its another greenhouse gas. Why not water vapor? All these hybrids and alternative clean cars produce water vaper and it causes global warming more then CO2 does. Lets just get off the oil from these messed up countries and take care of our own energy needs, without stifling the economy, thats the last thing we need to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zmanc View Post
    And NOOOO CO2 is not a pollutant, its a friggin molecule put off by plants and the ocean, the ocean is the biggest emitter of CO2 in the world. Why not ban methane? Its another greenhouse gas. Why not water vapor? All these hybrids and alternative clean cars produce water vaper and it causes global warming more then CO2 does.
    -Something being a 'friggin molecule' doesn't mean it isn't a pollutant, mercury is just a 'friggin molecule' and you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who doesn't think mercury is a pollutant.

    -Plants don't emit CO2, they absorb CO2 and release oxygen.

    -No body is talking about banning CO2, so why ask about banning methane? efforts are being taken to reduce emmissions of both CO2 and methane.

    -Water vapor may be a greenhouse gas, but the amount of water vapor which could be emmitted from fuel cell vehicles (no cars currently on the market, including hybrids, are emitting water vapor), would be so small it wouldn't have a measurable effect on the amount of water vapor in the atmosphere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FloggingSully View Post
    -Something being a 'friggin molecule' doesn't mean it isn't a pollutant, mercury is just a 'friggin molecule' and you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who doesn't think mercury is a pollutant.

    -Plants don't emit CO2, they absorb CO2 and release oxygen.

    -No body is talking about banning CO2, so why ask about banning methane? efforts are being taken to reduce emmissions of both CO2 and methane.

    -Water vapor may be a greenhouse gas, but the amount of water vapor which could be emmitted from fuel cell vehicles (no cars currently on the market, including hybrids, are emitting water vapor), would be so small it wouldn't have a measurable effect on the amount of water vapor in the atmosphere.
    -Its fall/ winter when a leaf falls of a tree and dies it emits CO2, decaying organic matter emits CO2, sorry I should have been more specific when it emits.

    - Every car emits water vapor, that is complete combustion of hydrocarbons, as car become more efficient and the combustion has a higher percentage of efficiency more H2O will be emitted.

    -Compared to the amount of CO2 put out by the ocean and plants dieing, and animals, the amount of CO2 we put out is negligible.
    Some good viewing material, "The Great Warming Swindle" It was a special put out, I think by bbc a while back, has some MIT scientists and NASA guys.
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    -Compared to the amount of CO2 put out by the ocean and plants dieing, and animals, the amount of CO2 we put out is negligible.

    True, natually occurring CO2 is in much greater amounts than what humans create through the burning of fossil fuels. However, the problem humans are creating is two fold when it comes to CO2. First off we're taking Carbon that was locked away inside the earth in a solid or liquid form and releasing it as a gas, which is increasing the amount of Carbon in the atmosphere at an unnatural rate. Second we're responsible for massive amounts of deforrestation during which we're removing from the earth mother nature's natural air filter (plants and especially trees).

    I for one really don't care that the Earth is warming. We may be having some effect on the cycle, but it's a cycle none the less which has been going on on this planet for millions of years. If the Earth does warm to a level that can no longer sustain human life, then we'll simply die off and some other form of life will replace us as has happened over and over for millions of years. Judging by the way we've polluted and destroyed pretty much every part of the Earth that we inhabit, it seems to me that mother nature is simply ridding herself of the plague known as man.

    That said, I'm a fan of anything we do which limits our effect on the other plants and animals that call this planet home. Many of my favorite places are where the hand of man is not evident. I just hope to be able to take my children to those places and I hope that they'll still be just as unspoiled as they were when I first saw them.

    I'm also hoping that this new president will restore the EPA to it's original mission of Environmental Protection. As an organization it hasn't lived up to it's name very well for quite a while.

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    I agree with therick to a point, its a cycle, where I differ is that I don't feel that our effect on global warming is quantifiable.

    Also my wife who has a masters in molecular biology and a ph.d in genetics corrected one of my earlier comments. While plants absorb CO2 most times they sometimes emit CO2 she explained it and its a bit too lengthy and I don't feel like typing it all, but I stand corrected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zmanc View Post
    -Its fall/ winter when a leaf falls of a tree and dies it emits CO2, decaying organic matter emits CO2, sorry I should have been more specific when it emits.

    - Every car emits water vapor, that is complete combustion of hydrocarbons, as car become more efficient and the combustion has a higher percentage of efficiency more H2O will be emitted.

    -Compared to the amount of CO2 put out by the ocean and plants dieing, and animals, the amount of CO2 we put out is negligible.
    Some good viewing material, "The Great Warming Swindle" It was a special put out, I think by bbc a while back, has some MIT scientists and NASA guys.
    Just because you can find some people disputing Global warming does not mean that there is wide consensus. You can find plenty of people who dispute the Earth is round or men landed on the moon. The overwhelming scientific consensus is that the Earth is warming at record rates and human activity is responsible for a large part of it.

    As far as the MIT scientist in the documentary Wikipedia had this:

    Carl Wunsch, professor of Physical Oceanography at MIT, is featured in the Channel 4 version of the programme. Afterwards he said that he was "completely misrepresented" in the film and had been "totally misled" when he agreed to be interviewed. He called the film "grossly distorted" and "as close to pure propaganda as anything since World War Two." . He also raised objections as to how his interview material was used:

    "In the part of The Great Climate Change Swindle where I am describing the fact that the ocean tends to expel carbon dioxide where it is warm, and to absorb it where it is cold, my intent was to explain that warming the ocean could be dangerous—because it is such a gigantic reservoir of carbon. By its placement in the film, it appears that I am saying that since carbon dioxide exists in the ocean in such large quantities, human influence must not be very important—diametrically opposite to the point I was making—which is that global warming is both real and threatening."

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    what really worries me are those damn brown clouds that are floating around everywhere. Did you hear about those? Pretty scary...

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