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    No union can protect a truly incompetent teacher from an administration that follows the proper protocol and procedures.

    The reason poor teachers don't often get fired is that the union is more organized and knows the rules, while the school administration doesn't have the time and means to follow through with the firing process.

    For example, many times teachers (good ones and bad ones) are placed in situations where they are asked to teach subjects that they are not certified to teach. Or, they are given unrealistic class sizes (like the 50 that someone mentioned on the other thread) or special education students without the proper support. Maybe, they didn't even have enough textbooks or other basic resources. If the administration comes down on them, they can turn it back on the school for bending or braking rules/laws.

    Here is another scenario, say a student needs to pass 4 of 5 core classes to move on to the next grade. That means a kid can fail math every year and still move on. Now, the 11th grade math teacher inherits a kid who is not proficient in math. Can the 11th grade principal come down on that teacher when the student fails math? No, the teacher has a built in excuse when the kid fails.

    Most schools in my area have a head and assistant principal for building with 50-150 teachers. There is no way they can properly evaluate all the teachers and they definitely don't have the time to go through all the procedures to prove incompetence.

    I say, shame on teachers who don't care to do a good job and shame on the system for allowing it.

    I've heard it put this way...If you give a baker a broken oven, stale ingredients and not enough time to bake, don't expect good bread.

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    My last ''teaching'' position was at Ben Davis -I was a glorified bouncer -we were a self contained room with a direct line to the police -it was called the EH room . Emotionally Handicapped . Crack babies -as teens -rolling on the floor screaming for no apparent reason-Passive /Aggresive ADHD kids who were MORE than anyone should put up with and then some kids who had real problems -cutters , suicidal tendency kids -Bi-polar , etc.
    Before that I taught at a continuation school in Ca.-if you are unfamiliar with these schools consider yourself lucky .
    In Fontana Ca. we [teachers] had to put all of our stuff in rolling cabinets and move from Trailor to trailor as class size quadrupled in 2 years -i never had 50 but I have had 45 with some moron asst ..
    My first job was the best but Frankfort In. paid first year teachers $12,000.00 a year , I made an additional $700 for coaching 2 sports .That was 1981.I might have stayed on despite the salary but I was RIFFED reduction in force .
    I won't say anything else about this topic because there is nothing left to say -really-all I missed was coaching .

    If I were one of you who paid for these lame ass schools I would raise so much hell that Heaven would hear me -look at where most of your property tax goes .

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    I work with the kind of kids r.payton talks about. We have 3-4 staff in the room for each 10 kids. Tough to do, downright impossible without the proper supports.

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    Out here, each department has a teaching supervisor that oversees performance in the classroom. They do the hiring and firing, not directly, but they make recommendations to the principle. You get alott more attention when the principles aren't reviewing classroom performance.

    Also, teachers have a tradition k-12 on up through college professors, of filing suit for wrongful termination and winning because scjhools do not perform adequate performance evaluations. because of the huge judgements arising out of those suits, schools have become gun shy about firings those that are incompetant. A school has three years to make a decison on retention, before tenure creeps in. Once a teacher has tenure, it nearly comes down to being found guilty of a criminal offense before a school can unload a bonehead.
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    Good grief. Why are you offering to teach this way. If a county can afford 50 more fat cops to sit at the local choke and puke 8 hours a day, that or harass people driving 70 MPH on the freeway to keep from getting killed by the idiots doing 90; then they can afford more teachers. If the money is that tight then the systems need to drop the more expensive sports programs and get back to the basics of preparing these children to live in the world they are going to be in for the rest of their lives.

    We can without more police, real simple way to do that. make it pretty much legal to deal with someone who intends you harm. Cops are really no good for that anyway unless one is stumbling over you when you need them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TycoonSlam View Post
    Good grief. Why are you offering to teach this way. If a county can afford 50 more fat cops to sit at the local choke and puke 8 hours a day, that or harass people driving 70 MPH on the freeway to keep from getting killed by the idiots doing 90; then they can afford more teachers. If the money is that tight then the systems need to drop the more expensive sports programs and get back to the basics of preparing these children to live in the world they are going to be in for the rest of their lives.

    We can without more police, real simple way to do that. make it pretty much legal to deal with someone who intends you harm. Cops are really no good for that anyway unless one is stumbling over you when you need them.
    I'm sorry but that was one of the most ignorant things I've heard. If anything at all, we need more cops. Just the idea of cops is what makes so many people think twice before doing a crime. Then think what their presence can do. Less cops? I don't think so.
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    Aside from some of the reasons stated I'd say bad teachers have jobs because there are not enough good teachers to replace them.

    Who'd want the job? Being a good teacher is a long hours job, with low pay for the amount of education you have, while having a bunch of people on the sidelines sniping about how much you suck, while at the same time you are mandated to teach to a test, instead of teaching students to think, and this leaves out the normal day-to-day classroom management, and parents that don't care, aspect of the job.

    I have been subbing for almost three years. I would be a very good teacher if I took it up fulltime. But I don't think it is worth the outside BS at this stage in my life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrestling_Prodigy View Post
    I'm sorry but that was one of the most ignorant things I've heard. If anything at all, we need more cops. Just the idea of cops is what makes so many people think twice before doing a crime. Then think what their presence can do. Less cops? I don't think so.
    While I think less cops would be bad I don't think they should focus so much on speeding. There is only 2 squads allowed at a time in the area I use to live in, neighborhood, and if one of them was pulling someone over that leaves one to deal with all the calls. There was a time that my little brother was shot with a bb gun by the neighbor, an adult male, it took them more then 45 min to show up.

    As for deterring of cops. I think if our populous was armed that would deter crime a hell of a lot more. You wouldn't want to rob a bank if half the people inside could be armed.
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    Do countries with more guns have less crime? I'm not sure it works like that. In South Africa, for example, everyone is armed and violent crime rates are astronomical. I dunno how statistics break down for other countries though?

    BTW I'm not sure what bad cops have to do with bad teachers.

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